History of Colonisation - Continuation Thread

[Waku]

HE DID IT AGAIN

correct

AS WE TALKED.

WRONG, if you had bother to see when was the last time I posted my file you'd have noticed it was just BEFORE your FIRST tantrum.

If Holland is to be treated in the same way as Spain (and England & France too, for that matter), the special resources you get by transforming hills should not be allowed. Please plunder or otherwise un-transform them, if possible.

totally agree

Anybody here STILL think it is fair to deprive me of even THIS?

I do

especially since you guys agreed I can have them
...We had a solid agreement...

I did not agree, i wasn't even asked. so solid that I had never heard of it.

...destroy a weak ally's land?
...Holland is hopless against the living

I still wonder how such a weak nation managed to take Pto.Cabello and Caracas, give them back to me and I will ALLOW you to have the alien terrains.

I request we vote on this,

I bet you won't keep playing if you don't like the results, I will even if you are allow to keep them, in any case I do not consider Holland a minor nation anymore.

NO F*CKING WAY.

wasn't just a silly game?

[Chris 62]

Well cowboy, your not getting any cities, nor are you getting away with this.
Jay lost those cities when he was playing, to bording parties followed by landing with the at start forces in the area.

Ripping up terrain is an act of war, either declare war properly, or stop busting my chops.

I started this game, what makes you think I would quit it?

Also, we agreed on procedure, your memory laspes aern't my problem.

You broke the agreement, attacked a player without prior notice.

Here we are, and here we will stand, there is no way I will let you get away with that.

We either go back to where you broke the treaty, and you declare war properly, or we can endlessly post back and forth.

[Waku]

seems the Sheriff demoted me from cop to bandit , not happy with that now we face his ultimatum to regain his illegal terrains

btw I did not Plunder your terrains, I simply Irrigated them which is not an attack

[Chris 62]

Waku ol buddy, you turned them into dessert.

Turning productive terrain to dessert is destroying it.

So tell me, how do I threaten you, with my little ol Dutch army?

I know that historically Holland kicked Spain out of the Netherlands, but do you really think I would attack you at this point?

If you were so adament about it, why didn't you say so when I asked you last year?

Kind of late to object now.

If you had a farmer transforming them, I would probaly not been mad about it, but you just did it without saying a word with colonists and slaves.

Not cool my friend.

BTW, why didn't you answer my e-mail?
It seems you have been missing lately, what's up with that, anything wrong?

[Waku]

No replies?

I would have prefered to hear something from John & Henrik.
Ok, I simply cannot stand with my arms crossed watching how the best pbem I've ever played goes to pot.
So, you think I attacked you, well I think the vast quantities of gold you've treasured using this bug are insulting, those squares are two drops in the ocean you've transformed.
Dya want me to properly declare war on you? ok, here we go: Spain doesn't consent Holland keeps on doing that, you've got two turns to get ready (time what I won't use to irigate more of your alien terrains) or start undoing yourself what's been done.
Honestly, your backwards sugestion is impossible taking into account that the rest of nations are in war.

PS: I will answer your email once things calm down.

[Patient English]

Yeah, sorry I haven't been in touch, but Colonies IV is taking a huge amount of time right now, and I was also hoping things might calm down a little, which it appears they have done.

I think perhaps you've both been perhaps a little over-aggressive in this - but you both have a point, too.

OK, you didn't go for my suggestion of perpetual neutrality for Holland, so Waku's conditional declaration of war is fair. As he has give two moves' notice, this makes up for the rather unilateral actions of his Slaves, in my opinion. Henrik?

Chris, can you live with that? As Waku says, unpicking this whole war to repair two or three terrain squares that arguably shouldn't be there anyway, is not really on. Why not get stuck in to the Spanish to get your revenge, Chris? Your English ally stands by to assist!

(And remember folks, it's only a game!)

[Patient English]

Who's move is it now, anyway...?

[Chris 62]

It's my move, and I feel like I just got reamed.

Maybe you didn't notice, I have a tiny military, and now this.

An ultimatum.

Unacceptable.

I was ALREADY attacked, and now I'm threatened yet again, if I don't comply, a war I can't win comes my way.

Waku, TONS OF TREASURE????
Holland is behind in everything, it took forever just to get farmers and horse cannons, if I have tons of money, it sure didn't come from a few terrain squares, nor did I see this ready cash.

My proposal is this:

Spain will send farmers to make productive what they destroyed, and I will transform the other squares as farmers become available to do it.

I still say I was attacked for no reason here, I have no idea why you think I have loads of cash or production Waku, I even posted numbers to prove that.

I'm also disapointed that you forgot something, and then acted without consultation, when, in ALL the games we played, did I EVER do that to you?
You know the answer, it's never.

John, you misread what Waku said, he says I have two turns to convert terrain, or else.
Can't be done, but I can start some of them, but it's still patentently unfair, but since I'm the weaker power, I have no choice here.

I believe I'm being more then fair here, I did nothing wrong or without consultation.

We will move when France, England and Spain reply.

[Patient English]

Chris, (Sorry if this would better be delivered as a PM to you all, but I don't have time at the moment to conduct 3 separate email discussions)

I thought that, under the agreements/statements we all posted over the last few days, you accepted Waku's right to declare war on you?

Leave aside for the moment his plundering of your "special" squares. If it is OK for him to declare war, then it is OK for him to plunder, presumably? If you are as relatively weak as you say, you couldn't have stopped him doing so anyway, correct?

Waku is giving you two turns' notice (more than required and more than I gave Henrik ). It does't matter that it is conditional, or that you have no practical hope of meeting the conditions. Just treat it as a war declaration, in that case.

Now I do see your point about the unilateral plundering of those squares when you and he were supposedly allied. That was, strictly speaking, against our agreement. If Waku had sneak-attacked you massively without warning, then indeed we would be talking about him breaking the rules.

However annoying though, it was simply the plundering of terrains that he believed (whether mistakenly or not, that is a whole different arguement I have no interest in raking over again) were illegal.

Annoying, discourteous perhaps, but not worth too much anguish. He can plunder those terrains and more once he is at war with you, so what have you lost? A few trade arrows for a few turns. The Dutch have all the techs and money they are likely to need, so I guess you can live with it. Let England gift you 500 gold to make up for it, and let's get on with the Mother of all Battles!

[Henrik]

Sorry for not posting, School is hectic (especially as I am going away next week and need to make up for it beforehand).
I must say I find myself in agreement with John, let us abondon this discussion and go to war.
France considers Holland a friend in this war as they have a common enemy in Spain, while France hasn't been doing well in their war against Spain recently she will act as Holland's supporter untill France can join the war in a more physical way.
However this does not mean I am interested in terminating my war with Brittain...

[Patient English]

Quite right.

England too, will help Holland as she can, until Holland is on her war footing.

However, we will not gang up against Spain, and England too may go to war against Holland soon, as it would only be fair!

Then we will all be at war with each other and Johnny, finally, will be happy!

[Chris 62]

I feel I was treated unfairly.

I will attempt to comply with the bullies from Iberia, however, if any come near, they will feel Dutch steel.

[Patient English]

That's the spirit, Mynheer!

[Henrik]

Things are progressing very well in the New World, this year saw the fall of the Brittish colony of Boston to the advancing French troops, all of New England is expected to fall soon...

French Grenadier regiments has departed from France to Holland to help defend the Dutch homeland from thier new Spanish enemies.

However in France the war hasn't been going as well as it has in the New World, while French armies are still victorious, the casualties are appaling
Brittish troops are so well entrenched it takes more than twice as many French soldiers to defeat one brittish fortification
Therefore I can report the bitter-sweet victory of having destroyed the newly built brittish trenches west of Paris.
In these trenches we where also able to catch several Brittish seige engineers who where promptly executed without mercy.

In retribution for the horrible Brittish burning of the French countryside, raiders destroyed a mine near Exeter.

Note: The Dutch AI broke off my alliance with them so the units I gifted them has been relocated, French units besieging Brittish cities in the New World has also been relocated(though I moved them right back, they did lose one turn of movement though ).

[Chris 62]

Even though the AI says so, I AM NOT AT WAR WITH SPAIN.

I am trying to comply with Spain's terrain order, and will take no action vs Spain at this time.