No Spanish civ in civ3

[Jay Bee]

Yes, I just learned about it. Not a single Latino/Hispanic civ. What kind of world history-based game can leave the history of 800 million people aside? I posted about this over the Civ3 forum as well. Here is the thread:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24157

I am mostly interested in what you people of the Hispanic community & friends think? The brilliant minds at Firaxis have totally ignored the Latino community once more. Replies in Spanish are okay too

[Chris 62]

It's rediculous.

Are they totally ignorent of who settled a whole continent?!!?

There are only seven continents, of which only six are habitable, yet people from Iberia settled one (South America) and have a tremendous and growing population on another! (North America)

So what civs were deemed more worthy of inclusion?

Some very poor decisions here, I think.

[Jay Bee]

It would really be great if someone from FIRAXIS explained to us what the inclusion/exclusion criteria were. This is really a big turn-off for me. I was quite interested to see what special unit, and other characteristics would the Iberian tribe be given.

I guess I will stick to Civ2 longer than I expected

Or maybe a few of us could create the 'Latino patch' to remedy this. But getting 3D units to work, leader portraits and all that fancy stuff looks like an impossible task to me right now. Who would be willing to get himself involved in a project like that? Dunno.

[Chris 62]

I just wrote a long response in that thread, it's worth reading.

[Waku]

I've been browsing the threads, no need to say how disapointed I am.

Obviously Yankees didn't want to rewrite History including their main rival in the conquest of America: Spanish (4 them this term means the same latin/hispanic/spaniard).

JB, anything I can do, any help to make them to see how wrong they are, or to demonstarte them which part of History are they forgetting, let me know.

[Jay Bee]

I think it's a lost cause. Just read the responses of some of the posters on the other thread. It's amazing how daring the ignorance can be. You can say I agree or I disagree, this or that, but not make such a pile of ignorant assumptions and half truths. Gee, I never talk about issues I have no clue about! Not the norm at Apolyton, it seems. But I have been here long enough to know this

I would have hoped the people at Firaxis be a bit more 'literate' history-wise. It's clear they can't: Mongols are also out. How do these guys tell Asian history without the Mongols?

Incidentally, have you noticed that three out of the four more-or-less Iberian-related civs in Civ2 have been eliminated?

All I know at this time is that Firaxis does not have my support. They do not care. Neither do I.

I just saw a copy of Call to Power 2 at a Carrefour shopping center. Maybe it's time to give it a try.

[Gothmog]

It's an outrage that the Spanish have been left out.

What kind of influence have the Aztecs, Zulus or Iroquois had on civilization? But these were deemed more important than the Spanish.

The Iroquois population at the height of their influence was about 25,000. Finally the Aztecs lost to a handful of Spanish soldiers and the Zulus to a handful of English soldiers.

Jay Bee, I too would like to know what Firaxis was thinking.

[DarkCloud]

no civilizacion de españica!

es horrible

los Aztecas (belong) mas (than the Iroquis... who the #*#*# cares about the Iroquis... the Aztecs put up more of a fight than the Iroquis!)

los Incas (were) un civilizacion de mas importencia!

Spanish (were/POR?) (an extremely) bueno colonacion civilizacion!

[Dr. Nick]

What? Not even an Argentine civ for the US to vassalise?

[Masis]

Woho!

Did I read correctly?

No Spanish Civ in CivIII?
Hang on...
A) is CivIII in the same format as its predecesor

B)or is it simply about you naming the Tribe yourself and trying to manage a world?

If it is following option A then I am slightly bemused, I could predict that Civ III would be a poor succesor to Classic CivII and this simply proves it.

[Fiera]

These are indeed bad news, but I can't really say that they come as a surprise to me. It's been clear to me that Firaxis just want to make loads of money.

I guess they expect us to buy the "Fantastic Civs" expansion pack, so we can play the Spanish, the Mongols and the Incas, and then the FCII expansion pack so we can have the Portuguese, the Ottomans and the Dutch. So to speak.

Civ3 will be a great profit for Firaxis. But it won't be as great a game as Civ and Civ2 were. We have enough hints now.

PS: On an optimistic note, I think that we can always work together to get our Spanish/Latin Civ, assuming that Firaxis provide us with the necessary tools...

[Jay Bee]

Originally posted by Fiera
These are indeed bad news, but I can't really say that they come as a surprise to me. It's been clear to me that Firaxis just want to make loads of money.

Yeah, I was reluctant to accept this in the beginning but now I see it pretty clearly.

I guess they expect us to buy the "Fantastic Civs" expansion pack, so we can play the Spanish, the Mongols and the Incas, and then the FCII expansion pack so we can have the Portuguese, the Ottomans and the Dutch. So to speak.

Yes, that seems to be their scheme.

Civ3 will be a great profit for Firaxis. But it won't be as great a game as Civ and Civ2 were. We have enough hints now.

What amazes me is that many people do prefer fancy graphics over gameplay. Firaxis is gonna give'em lots of funny guys doing the Rain Dance. Everybody happy.

PS: On an optimistic note, I think that we can always work together to get our Spanish/Latin Civ, assuming that Firaxis provide us with the necessary tools...

Oh, forget about it. They are not going to allow others to milk their money-making cow

[Waku]

I know it's useless, but at least we still have the right to the "pataleo".

askthecivteam@firaxis.com

[Jay Bee]

I started to draft a letter but halfway into it I realized that besides useless, it was also childish. Let's leave them with their ignorance. But it's still sad to verify once more that money is the only thing that matters to the Angloamerican world.

[Marquis de Sodaq]

Indeed disappointing! The Spanish have cast a long shadow over history for many centuries. Their culture has spread and outlasted their political might, both of which clearly outshine some of the civs included.

The Iroquois are in to be politically correct, no doubt. Sure they pretty much taught the Americans how to:

• Farm in the americas
• go anywhere not on the coast
• set up a constitutional government

Even so, they paled in historical importance and advancement to the Maya or Inca. Gothmog, there were far more than 25000 Iroquois, easily ten times that number after most were wiped out by epidemics.

The Zulu are in because Africa needs a civ. Why they were chosen over Accra or Ethiopia baffles me. Perhaps only because they are more well known in the world of computer owners...

Anyway, it's disappointing to see a civ that can represent a half billion people excluded. Expansion pack? Good lord, that will only sell to people with the game. Maybe sales will stink and they'll release a later version with 30 civs...