Do you know the meaning of Al-Andalus

[Waku]

Everyone porbably knows that the name of Andalucia comes from "Al-Andalus" name given to Spain by Muslims.

But... does anyone know where this name come from?

Hint=germanic origin

[Prometeus]

From Vandalucia or Vandalicia, i.e. "Land of the Vandals". Also Sardinia was called "Vandalica insula" once...

[Waku]

Brilliant

[Jay Bee]

100% agree with Prometeus; that's the reason. I wrote about that in the Barbarian Webpage a few years ago. Regrettably I lost the link to the site I also wrote about Asterix in that page. So you ask, what has Asterix got to do with the barbarians? Excellent Q. I do not know, but Asterix was there among the likes of Conan, so...

[Waku]

What about Catalonia?

I'm not sure but I think I've read that the origin is probably "Goth"

is it true?

[Jay Bee]

No idea on this one... Xarxo????

[Prometeus]

Nope... Southern France was named Gothia... no ideas...

[Waku]

Prometeus, what you say could be a starting point, after all southern France is next to Catalonia. (Think of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies).

¿No hay ningún Catalino por ah�

[Jay Bee]

XarXo is from Barcelona but it's been a few days since he last posted. He must know, Guess we'll have to wait a bit

[kIndal]

Too, ,I have heard that Catalonia came from Gothland (land of God) in the age of visigoths.

[XarXo]

As "Gascunya", land of gascons, "Catalunya" could means land of catalons (catalans), the origin of "catal" could be similar as "catar" (this second one in the occitain etnic zone, nearly to the catalanesque etnic zone), but the true version is unknown. Other versions ask to germanic versions, but the mos probably is a medieval verions to say all the original counts as one entity.

Usually people says that "Catalunya" and "El Principat de Catalunya" is the same, but is false, due that the first one is the name of the actual autonomous community and the second the historical name (used after the unification of the counts under the Count of Barcelona). The second one is the actual Catalunya plus the "fifth province" of Perpinyà (Perpignan), Andorra and "La Franja de Ponent", a sector that actually is in the aragonese autonomous community (and I ask ¿why?, the usual border between Catalonia and Aragon always was the Cinca river... Only the Matarranya shire was originaly in Aragon...).

And a final line, Catalunya ISN'T the same as PaÃs Valencià and Ses Illes Balears, is the same etnic-cultural group (catalanesque, not catalan, group), but different nations.

[Fiera]

quote: Originally posted by XarXo on 02-04-2001 07:29 PM And a final line, Catalunya ISN'T the same as PaÃs Valencià and Ses Illes Balears, is the same etnic-cultural group (catalanesque, not catalan, group), but different nations.

Joder, macho, qué complicado parece esto de ser catalán, no?

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"¡Y pensar que algunos se asombran de que hayamos perdido las colonias! Lo que a mà me asombra es que, con esta burocracia, no hayamos perdido hasta los pantalones."

PÃo Baroja

[Jay Bee]

quote: And a final line, Catalunya ISN'T the same as PaÃs Valencià and Ses Illes Balears, is the same etnic-cultural group (catalanesque, not catalan, group), but different nations.

De acuerdo en lo de cultural, pero étnico??? En que se diferencia, étnicamente hablando, un catalán de un aragonés, de un castellano o de un murciano???

[XarXo]

Extraido del diccionario VOX:

etnia: agrupación natural de individuos que tienen el mismo idioma y cultura.

étnico -ca: adj Gentil (pagano). 2 Relativo a una nacion o raza.

Como podeis ver, "étnico" (tomando por base el LEXEMA) es correcto, lo que pasa es que durante la segunda guerra mundial se uso para fines exalcionistas de los gobiernos fascistas europeos (es decir, Alemania, Italia, España y Portugal). Asà pues, España se divide en 6 etnias primordiales:

Castellanos (castellanos, andaluces, murcianos, mayorÃa de extremeños, mayorÃa de aragoneses, valencianos de Utiel/Ademuz y navarros de Tudela)

Catalanescos (catalanes, valencianos, baleraicos, parte de murcianos, parte de aragoneses)

Aragoneses (minúculo grupo de aragoneses)

Asturleoneses (asturias y parte de la antiguo territorio de León, y una pequeña parte de extremeños)

Gallegos (gallegos)

Vascuences (vascos y navarros de Pamplona)

No incluyo Gitanos ni Occitanos, a pesar de que estos segundos tienen como cooficial su idioma en Era Val d'Aran.

Evidentemente, podeis venirme con rollos de gente que dice tal y cual, pero os recuerdo que es la definición de un diccionario, y en otros que he consultado me dice lo mismo. Asà que, a AGUANTARSE, los catalanescos somos una ETNIA
[This message has been edited by XarXo (edited February 07, 2001).]

[kIndal]

¡¡¡¡¡¡¡Exijo una etnia especial para AlmerÃa!!!!!!!!
¡¡¡¡¡¡Que Para eso fue repoblada por Aragoneses, Valencianos, Murcianos y Albaceteños y no por castellanos como el resto del sur de la peninsula!!!!!!!!

Xarxo, realmente que mas da, no somos todos a fin de cuentas españoles (te guste o no), pues supongo que algo más en comun tendremos entre nosotros que con los gabachos,los ingleses o los alemanes, no??
Ademas, preguntale a un blavero de Valencia que tiene que en comun con un catalan y te dira que absolutamente nada, ni idioma, ni paisos, ni nada de nada, y te buscara libros, diccionarios y todo lo que quieras en los que te hablara de otra version totalmente distinta de la historia. ¿quien tiene mas razon?