Engine/Propulsion

[Jeremy Buloch]

Well I dont really want to fudge around with the known laws of physics unless everyone agrees first. I will make a poll on this paticular subject.
-J.B.-

[DeathByTheSword]

i dont believe in FTL engines more in the idea of something like gateways

[Kuciwalker]

I think that fudging is absolutely necessary in a game.

[DeathByTheSword]

fudging? did i miss something

[Jeremy Buloch]

Gateways are theorectical because they are the same things as Black holes and white holes. Black holes provide the means of going into a gateway and the white hole is the exit. If the person(s) is able to withstand the emmense gravitational field and Large amounts of Radiation then they would be able to go through the Gateway.
The Humans wouldn't be able to create a Gateway because it requires a type III civlization. It is pretty clear that we cant have a type III civilization in the game.
Yet consider this:
If we were to make one of the aliens create gateways and the humans find the gateways then it can be done. The humans wouldn't understand the physics behind it so they would not be able to replicate any of them only able to use them. So I'd say that would be able to be done.
-J.B.-

The previous post about this Idea was deleted accidently and I had to re-write the idea. I hope I got everything.

[targon]

IMO, white holes are completely imagenary. They do offend General Relativity.
Our Universe may develop really funny topology and geometry, but at large scales, where mass of the volume in question is't any Newtonian (== may accelerate free-falling probe body to near c). This stuff is completely irrelevant for any but meta-galaxy scales (hundreds of Mps at least) and beyond the scope of StP plot (I hope. Or fear?). If I correctly remember, gravitatic radius of the mass M is 2*G/c^2, G here is gravitition constant. You see, G is pretty small, and c^2 is big: you need a lot of mass to punch space/time continuum any hard.

[Jeremy Buloch]

There are growing theories that there are white holes that are negative and the black holes being positive. Therefore without the white holes the black holes would have no point of exit. BTW the theory is only a theory and is yet to be proven false. So therefore it works enough for me. If we dont have this then what would be the Stargate? If we were to have them.
-J.B.-

[targon]

The only proven theory nowdays is General Relativity. It has to be corrected for quantum gravity effects taking place for densities not less than ~10^94 g/cm^3. The only known event of such magnitude is Big Bang. Possible any black hole also will do, but in infinite time for any unaffected person.

[Jeremy Buloch]

"A critical look at this issue must necessary embrace two new observations. First, Special Relativity itself was superceded by Einstein’s own more powerful General Relativity (1915), in which faster than light travel is possible under certain rare conditions. The principal difficulty is amassing enough energy of a certain type to break the light barrier. Second, one must therefore analyze extra-terrestrial civilizations on the basis of their total energy output and the laws of thermodynamics. In this respect, one must analyze civilizations which are perhaps thousands to millions of years ahead of ours."


And here is something else:

"The first realistic attempt to analyze extra-terrestrial civilizations from the point of view of the laws of physics and the laws of thermodynamics was by Russian astrophysicist Nicolai Kardashev. He based his ranking of possible civilizations on the basis of total energy output which could be quantified and used as a guide to explore the dynamics of advanced civilizations:

Type I – this civilization harnesses the energy output of an entire planet.

Type II – this civilization harnesses the energy output of a star, and generates about 10 billion times the energy output of a Type I civilization.

Type III – this civilization harnesses the energy output of a galaxy, or about 10 billion time the energy output of a Type II civilization."
-J.B.-

[targon]

Originally posted by Jeremy Buloch
...General Relativity (1915), in which faster than light travel is possible under certain rare conditions.

UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS?

[Jeremy Buloch]

I currently dont have that answer and since its 2:33 am I am too tired to look. Later perhaps or you look it up.
-J.B.-

[targon]

J.B.!
I'll absolve you things you've written due to 2.33 pm.
Nighty night.

[Jeremy Buloch]

ab~what? um ok whatever.
-J.B.-

[Blake]

I believe the conditions are when the distance is too short to for the FTL travel/transfer to be useful (like at planck length...)

To create a wormhole, one requires exotic matter, that interacts with normal matter in very.... special ways (like normal matter doesn't). Should such matter be discovered/created, it would be possible to create wormholes that extert very acceptable forces on travellers (~1gee).
So all we need is to invent "Exoticite" and wormholes can be created within the current laws of physics.

[targon]

For any distance less than Planck's, there isn't such a thing, "length". But for any longer "leaps", General Relativity is perfectly O.K. (and forget about Mach's principle!).
J.B. was miguided by phase/group light velocities, IMHO. J.B.?
About "negative matter", this stuff is completely imagenary. Can't say anything about this, but any cosmic rays corresponds to "normal" matter and it's really difficult to hide any particles from modern particle physics. New interactions/particles/matter may exist, but its strength/mass is greatly limited (really low stregnth == very high mass).
I think that game must be play-tested with STL travel/FTL communications (orders etc) first and then adjusted for more playability.