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[academia]

Mmm... Argentina part of Euro/NATO in 1950???
Our president wasn´t pro-western capitalist in that time. I suggest you to make argentina neutral

Another topic:
I don´t understan why Venezuela, part of Colombia
and it seems that Guayana, French Guyana and Surinam are under the influence of Warsaw Pact??

The only southamerican state under soviet influence during the coldwar was Peru. Some uprisings in Bolivia and Allende in Chile.
That´s all i remember right now.

[EZRhino]

He's right. In 1950 the political dynamic was completely different. Communist insurgencies had'nt yet sprung up in places such as Nicaragua, or Colombia. Indochina was still a French colony, for that matter. The Philipenes and Japan were still under U.S. occupational Government. Hianan was still a nationalist stronghold. Iceland was part of Nato; Somalia didnt become a Communist enclave untill the late 70's. And without Communist Chinese support, the N.Korean reigme may have collapsed under its own weight.

Edit: But, on the other hand, since the timespan of this scenario is pretty long, Curt's gonna have to make allowences for the sake of gameplay. And its an alt.history scenario anyway.

[Henrik]

I like the swedish flag for the neutrals
However doesnt it seem strange that Sweden itself is part of the Euro nato, while her flag flies over a lot of other countries?
Would this be the effect of some secret swedish imperialist influence which is also part of the alternative history scenario?

[ravagon]

Originally posted by academia
Mmm... Argentina part of Euro/NATO in 1950???
Our president wasn´t pro-western capitalist in that time. I suggest you to make argentina neutral

IIRC Argentina was pretty Pro-axis/fascist during the war?
If Axis-Germany (or its remnants) are now US/Nato then Argentina may have followed suit depending on the exact course of the latter stages of the war.

Would this be the effect of some secret swedish imperialist influence which is also part of the alternative history scenario?

I'm guessing yes? (Although then its probably not quite so "alternative" )

[our_man]

If you're not planning to have WW3 kick off immediately Curt, but instead plan to base it depending on the capture of certain cities by either side, here's an idea you might consider.

First of all don't use the citycapture event to be the trigger - instead create a 'trigger' unit in a particular city (e.g. Havana) that, if destroyed ("unitkilled"), triggers the "makeaggression" event. Make them non-moving air units to prevent the AI from transporting them out of the city. You can then place these in as many cities as you want, greatly saving on event space.

It gets better - here's the beautiful part.

It involves using probably the most neglected trick in scenario design - multiple possible variations on the starting position of units using the .alt file. Create several different copies of the scenario, each one with the trigger units located in different cities. In this way the Americans capturing Havana might trigger a war with the Warsaw Pact, or it might, not depending on whether this particular scenario version has a trigger unit in Havana. As the player does not know what .alt file he is playing, he will be unable to predict which city captured will start WW3!

Good examples of .alt scenarios are Microproses "Jules Verne" and techumsehs "Russian Civil War"

A more complicated and realistic version of this would be to have two trigger units placed in different cities. Each one by itself would not be enough to trigger a war, but when killed would give the opposing player a particular technology via events e.g. "Brink of War 1". Killing the other trigger would give the advance "Brink of War 2". These would be the prerequisites for a "Declaration of War" advance which the player could then research. By giving this tech a high AI value the computer could be made research it. Of course, against a human opponent there would be more discretion - choosing whether to go to war by researching this or not.

[Iron Chancellor]

Also, South Africa was still like by the West in 1950. IIRC, it wasn't till the 1980's that it came to be considered a "rogue" nation

[Palaiologos]

Originally posted by jim panse
like Greece where the USSR also stepped back from supporting the ELAS after 1945; Yugoslavia supported them, anyway

The only reason that the Yugoslavians supported them was that the traitorus communist leadership had promised their slavic brethen in Greece an "independant"(Yugoslavian vassal) Macedonia.

Fortunately after the 1944-49 war all these slavs in Greece were "repatriated" in Yugoslavia.
They formed a state with an expiry date called FYROM.




On topic:

Keep in mind that Turkey played a prominent role during the cold war, being the only NATO ally to have common borders with the Soviet Union.

They received huge aid by the USA.

[FiGu]

hmm.. why is Finland under Soviet control??

[EmuGod]

Maybe in this alternatve history the USSR won the Russo-Finnish war and has established the Democratic Republic of Finland it was planning during that war....

[Palaiologos]

Originally posted by EmuGod
Maybe in this alternatve history the USSR won the Russo-Finnish war and has established the Democratic Republic of Finland it was planning during that war....

Er....

USSR won the Russo-Finnish war(all of them) in our own history as well.

[curtsibling]

Hi guys!

Worry not, this map is v1.0 and will change!

Feel free to grab it, change it, and then repost it!

In fact, I would appreciate if someone could help me by doing that!

If y'all have wondered where I have been, worry not!
Curt is on the job and working on CIV2 graphics for Soviet Steel and fixing up D2MGE open season.

I am still doing the duty, even when I am not posting!

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Palaiologos




Er....

USSR won the Russo-Finnish war(all of them) in our own history as well.

Pericles, you got it in one!

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Palaiologos On topic:

Keep in mind that Turkey played a prominent role during the cold war, being the only NATO ally to have common borders with the Soviet Union.

They received huge aid by the USA.

I plan to put Turkey in NATO command!

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Iron Chancellor
Also, South Africa was still like by the West in 1950. IIRC, it wasn't till the 1980's that it came to be considered a "rogue" nation

Some parts of Africa will be a hotbed of intrique and rebellion in this scenario!

[FiGu]

you should put Finland neutral in this scenario. it was first later that they signed with the russians a military alliance.