should I?

[MagyarCrusader]

I got a hankerin' for creating a Middle Age Europe (and some Middle East) scenario around the 11th century, intended for PBEM play and using the Giga map of Europe. Before I begin, I would like to know if there would be interest in playing the scenario when it's finished. I would prefer to not waste my time if nobody will play when it's done.

[BeBMan]

I would say go for it, I think there should be more medieval scns

However, I don´t like gigamaps....

[Valuk]

Yeah, do it! I support the gigamap idea, since it paints an accurate picture of Europe then.
And be sure to include Byzantium !

[Chris 62]

I was thinking about this also Magyar, there isn't a good one for JUST Europe (Bernd's beautiful scaenario is really a crusader war game, the objectives are mosty in the holy land.)

It would be interesting to see how Europe went from the Vikings to the asent of Spain, CONCENTRATING on Europe.

I would leave out North Africa, Europe never really got there until the Portugeuse take Cueta.
I would have a very tough (but pacifist) Al Andulas (Moorish Spain, perhaps high value defenders, but low value attackers).
A similar Byzantine empire, and the other five players could be England, France, Spain, Germany and maybe either Vikings or Poland.
The Turks could be powerful barbarians.

Just tossing ideas here, but I would love to see such a scenario.

[El León]

By all means! Medieval Europe would be great. I also feel that there are not enough out there.
Gigamaps and long scenarios I've never liked per se, but if you do it right, you can get away with it.

Tell us more details!

[St Leo]

I recommend using a map smaller than the standard maximum myself.

[MagyarCrusader]

Well Chris, Europe would be the main focus, but I have to include the Crusades. They are too significant to ignore. I just wasn't plaining on making it the goal of the scenario, more so as a side quest. There would be monetary incentives and wonders to motivate the players. Primarily, the human controlled European powers would concern themselves with domestic issues: science research, trade, infrastructure, negotiation of alliances, and expansion of terrority.

I feel as if the giga map is a necessity. This isn't going to be a single player scenario (although it could be). Sicne PBEMs progress slowly, I want the players to have a lot to do during their turns so things stay interesting. None of this crap where you move 2 units, save your game and wait a week to do the same thing again.

As far as civilizations go, the human controlled nations would be England, France, Holy Roman Empire, Poland, and of course Hungary. Byzantium, the non German dominated Italian city states, and the Christian Spanish states would be lumped together into a single civ, probably called something like "Christian States." These guys could be human controlled, but they don't have to be. The 7th civ would be the Muslim world, and they would be AI controlled through events. All areas independent of these powers, such as Scotland, Bulgaria and Flanders would be barbarian cities open for conquest. Comments?

MGE would be the platform. I prefer ToT, but I fear if I created a PBEM ToT scenario nobody would play.

For art, I'm going to shamefully rip everything. Unless there are people willing to contribute to designing original pieces...

And who voted for option 3?!

[El León]

I saw a note in John Ellis' Seize the Crown about attempting to change the spaceship to the crusade...
That may be an interesting idea, especially if the graphics in the dll's are edited... First european power to get a crusade together wins the game...

[Chris 62]

I like it, but I would keep the focus on Europe.

You could handle Crusades with events as easily as having units go there, and depending on the time frame, Outremer (The Crusader holdings) really didn't last all that long.

Lumping all of those states together would create a super civ, wouldn't it?
Plus the units would be a problem, Byzantine units should not look like The forces of Spain, for example.

Maybe you could drop Poland (I know, forget dropping Hungary ), make the Byzantines seperate, and add the polish holdings to the Christian states.
Another option is to Drop the English, they are Viking controled (The Danelaw), except for a small area till 1066, then they are Norman states for a long time.
You could have Britain have a number of Barb cities, England plays little part in world affairs till the Hundred years war (Richard the First, for example, spent maybe 6 months of his ENTIRE life in Britain, and only spoke French).

How will you handle the Vikings?
Barbarians?
They were a real menace from about 700-900 AD, but their influence declines after that.

I'm sure you will figure it all out, I'm just tossing out ideas.

[techumseh]

Originally posted by MagyarCrusader
Well Chris, Europe would be the main focus, but I have to include the Crusades. They are too significant to ignore. I just wasn't plaining on making it the goal of the scenario, more so as a side quest. There would be monetary incentives and wonders to motivate the players. Primarily, the human controlled European powers would concern themselves with domestic issues: science research, trade, infrastructure, negotiation of alliances, and expansion of terrority.

I like El Leon's idea of 'Spaceship as Crusade'.

I feel as if the giga map is a necessity. This isn't going to be a single player scenario (although it could be). Sicne PBEMs progress slowly, I want the players to have a lot to do during their turns so things stay interesting. None of this crap where you move 2 units, save your game and wait a week to do the same thing again.

Gigamaps can make for MORE boring games. Be sure your cities have overlapping areas of control, at least in the more settled areas. Big spaces between cities is a drag.

As far as civilizations go, the human controlled nations would be England, France, Holy Roman Empire, Poland, and of course Hungary. Byzantium, the non German dominated Italian city states, and the Christian Spanish states would be lumped together into a single civ, probably called something like "Christian States." These guys could be human controlled, but they don't have to be. The 7th civ would be the Muslim world, and they would be AI controlled through events. All areas independent of these powers, such as Scotland, Bulgaria and Flanders would be barbarian cities open for conquest. Comments?

Sounds good.

MGE would be the platform. I prefer ToT, but I fear if I created a PBEM ToT scenario nobody would play.

I'm getting pretty good response to Roman Civil War. If we make enough good scenarios, people will play them. We just need that critical mass. Keep the faith!

For art, I'm going to shamefully rip everything. Unless there are people willing to contribute to designing original pieces...

Get everyone who contributes to use a consistent art style, eg. using Alex's units as a template.

And who voted for option 3?!

While I definitely want you to make this scenario, there are some temptations beyond any attempt at self control.

[Valuk]

No, don't use that blasted ToT thing! It's just a commercial blunder, which is best forgotten!
Do it in MGE at least!

[St Leo]

Hmm, having seen the new Roman PBEM scenario, I am warming towards ToT again. It makes terrain look a lot better.

[El León]

Originally posted by techumseh
I like El Leon's idea of 'Spaceship as Crusade'.

It's John Ellis'
If I recall correctly, there are remnants of his work in this direction in the STC scenario...

[Cyrion]

Originally posted by BeBro
I would say go for it, I think there should be more medieval scns

However, I don´t like gigamaps....

Ditto...

However, I would only play it if it's MPGE, so my opinion doesn't really count!

Not because I think TOT is crap (I've got no idea about it!), but only because I don't have it (like most of the people in the forum).

[Dr. Nick]

I want to vote yes and Hungarians suck!