WWII wonders

[Case]

Originally posted by techumseh
Re: the bushwhacking of the American Fleet, I read an article somewhere that suggested that if Pearl Harbour had not occurred, the American defeat may have been WORSE. The theory is that if the Japanese had only attacked the Philippines, the American fleet would have sortied out into the Pacific to defend it. Somewhere it would have been intercepted by the Japanese carriers. The old and slow American battleships and the obsolete American carrier aircraft would have been no match for the Japanese planes, resulting in the TOTAL destruction of the American Pacific Fleet, carriers and all. I dunno if that's what would have happened, but it's an interesting speculation.

Yeah, I've read that as well. Basically, the American strategy was to form the entire Pacific Fleet up into one huge convoy and then crawl across the Pacific to relieve the Philipines. IMO the Japanese would have had a field day against such a target.

[Mao]

Of course, that only now means the American player won't be dumb enough to do that...

[Heresson]

A forg is a frog on a fork of a Frenchman, You ignorants!

[St Leo]

Please stop making fun of the Frogs.

[techumseh]

Enough of that.

I found some background on Japanese scientific research before and during the war. The RIKEN Foundation was established to promote research into the physical sciences in the 1920s. Its' work no doubt had significant military application, since McArthur shut it down after the war.

I'm going with Pavlov's idea for the British trade wonder. I think I'll call it "East-India Docks" for the London docks where Imperial trade came and went.

Thoddy's right about the triggers for wonders. You can toggle them off and on merely by giving and taking the tech which renders them obsolete. To get the benefits of Imperial trade, Britain must maintain a link to India.

[Boco]

Among other things, RIKEN is a now big name in current genomics research. I think the name was resurrected in the 50's.

The main aim of the Japanese military was to establish a hard shell for their Asian empire, then negotiate for peace. Although they underestimated US production potential, they knew it was much greater than their own. So, even if the 1941 US fleet ended up at the bottom of the ocean after a doomed plan Orange sortie, eventually, US production would force the Japanese to go on the defensive. Question is, can the Japanese player make it too costly for the US player to retake the Pacific?

I like that you're aiming for that kind of tension using the Civ2 engine. Might almost make me try MP!

How are you going to handle nukes?

[MagyarCrusader]

How are you going to handle nukes?

Leave nukes out of this one.

[techumseh]

Originally posted by MagyarCrusader

Leave nukes out of this one.

Sorry, MJ. They were a big part of this war, or rather, the ending of it. So I can't just leave them out. I think I'll limit nuclear bomb research to just the US and Germany, however. And place it FAR down the tech tree, so that someone will have to do very well indeed just to get the research done. Then the Manhattan Project, and so on. Delivery will be by a one way bomber (missile) unit that looks like a B-29.

[Case]

*mutters about Britain, Japan and the USSR all having nuclear weapons programs in WW2*

[MagyarCrusader]

Just keep in mind that when someone can build a unit with 99 attack, the game is over.

[techumseh]

Originally posted by MagyarCrusader
Just keep in mind that when someone can build a unit with 99 attack, the game is over.

Exactly. Pretty historical, oui?

[techumseh]

Originally posted by Case
*mutters about Britain, Japan and the USSR all having nuclear weapons programs in WW2*

How far advanced were the various programs?

[Case]

How far advanced were the various programs?

The Brits had gotten a long way before they ran out of money and handed their experts and expertise over to the Americans

The Japanese were muddling along towards a bomb, but weren't really close to getting it in 1945.

The Soviets were also making fair progress and had lots of good scientists, but the nuclear program had to be put on the backburner due to the more pressing need to produce conventional military equipment.

As a result, I think that all nations should have access to nuclear weapons.

[Heresson]

"Soviet scientists" = spies.

[The ANZAC]

Originally posted by Heresson
"Soviet scientists" = spies.

Yeah that is true!