WWII wonders

[techumseh]

My WWII PBEM scenario, "Global War" is getting close to being ready for playtesting. It's set on a geographically accurate gigamap of the entire world. All seven civilizations will be playable: Soviet Union, Empire of Japan, Nazi Germany (including the Italian Empire), Republic of China, United States, British Empire, and the French Empire (including Dutch and Belgian Empires). Barbarians represent the neutral powers.

Can anyone help me with names for wonders? I need a couple of ideas in particular. First, a wonder (Adam Smith's Trading Co) in either London or Liverpool to represent imperial trade, particularly trade with India. Second, a wonder (Newton's College) in Tokyo or Osaka to represent the Japanese scientific research effort.

Thanks.

[Jimmywax]

I am sorry but I would name adam smith's juxt the british empire and probably newton's the imperial navay academty or somethjing like that. I might heve a differnet opinikon tommorrow tough. I see I can't type for ****e right now. It took me like four minutes just to type this right.

[Pavlov]

How about naming Adam Smith's something like British merchant navy? Imperial trade?

Now, Newton's college could be, ehhh, Japanese war effort. I dunno.

[our_man]

What about "Jewel of the Empire" for Adam Smith's? I'm afraid that's the best I could come up with; the problems with it being that if fails to reflect trade with other parts of the Empire and it might look out of place in Liverpool/London.

[Case]

A good idea would be to put Adam Smith's Trading Co in a colonial city as this would give the British an incentive to defend the empire. How about making it the Suez Canal, or British India?

[Mao]

Case has a good idea, in a lot of the scenarios I play if I'm like the Brit Empire and the AI takes India, a lot of the time I can just be like "OK, whatever, it didn't give me much trade or production, so screw it, I'll keep going with Australia." Give the Brit player incentive to defend his empire and make his wonders more vulnerable (another bonus )

[Dr. Nick]

You could put the Japanese wonder in Manchuria and call it 'Unit 731'. Macabre, I know, but true. And it would make Manchuria more valuable to the Japanese too.

[H Tower]

how about the Imperial War College for Newton's

[Heresson]

Auschwitz, Stutthoff, Treblinka...

[Dr. Nick]

Except, Heresson, that the German camps were of more economic value than scientific, as was the case of the Japanese.

[klesh]

I think the camps are best represented as a terrain special. This way they can be limited to a region, and the benefits can be set by the designer.

What about the Dutch East Indies, Surabaya specifically. This might be (or probably is) under the controll of the barbs rather than the Brits at the start, but either way it could provide for a nice bit of strategic importance in the area. Everyone needs that oil...

-FMK.

[techumseh]

Originally posted by Case
A good idea would be to put Adam Smith's Trading Co in a colonial city as this would give the British an incentive to defend the empire. How about making it the Suez Canal, or British India?

That's a good idea. I've been thinking about a way to turn wonders off and on. Perhaps it can go in London as planned, but if certain strategic cities are captured by another player (hell, it could be the French - this is PBEM!) the wonder is turned off.

You could put the Japanese wonder in Manchuria and call it 'Unit 731'. Macabre, I know, but true. And it would make Manchuria more valuable to the Japanese too.

Interesting idea. I would like to put a wonder in Manchuria, though I'm hesitant about trying to represent war crimes in scenarios. Unit 731 conducted medical experiments and chemical and biological warfare experiments on Chinese civilians, killing thousands. Medical schools in Japan participated in the program, sending doctors to the unit. After the war, the US agreed not to prosecute those involved in exchange for their "scientific" data and an agreement that the data would be witheld from the Soviets. As a result, no war crimes trials were ever held, and Japan has yet to fully acknowledge these crimes or make restitution to China.

What about the Dutch East Indies, Surabaya specifically. This might be (or probably is) under the controll of the barbs rather than the Brits at the start, but either way it could provide for a nice bit of strategic importance in the area. Everyone needs that oil...

Exactly. Oil is the major focus of the scenario. Money is tight, especially for Germany and Japan which have Fascist (Monarchy) governments. Control of specific oil cities brings in lots of money via events. The cities are Baghdad and Brunei (Brits), Baku (Soviet), Balikapan and Padang (French/Dutch), Dallas (US), and Bucharest and Caracas (Neutral). Bucharest quickly falls to the Germans and Caracas benefits the US as long as it remains under Neutral control. So that leaves Japan as the only power other than China without any oil. And 3 oil producing cities sitting, almost undefended, just to the south...

[MagyarCrusader]

but if certain strategic cities are captured by another player (hell, it could be the French - this is PBEM!)

[Mao]

...just because the French can't fight doesn't mean...well...yeah...I got nothin...heh

And just out of curiousity because...well...me...will the communist Chinese be represented? You could make them barbarians or part of the Republic of China, and give them a sherman or two randomly (I think we gave the KMT Shermans right?).

[techumseh]

Originally posted by MagyarCrusader

OK, MJ. You're the French in the playtest! Actually, by combining the Dutch and Belgian empires with the French, France should be kinda fun to play. Even if Paris falls to the Germans (pretty likely), the French still control over half of Africa, Indochina and the East Indies, as well as colonies in the Middle East, South America and the Pacific. They also have a large fleet, including 4 battleships (2 more under construction) , 2 battlecruisers and an aircraft carrier. While they'll need allies, it's very likely they will still be around at the end of the scenario.

And just out of curiousity because...well...me...will the communist Chinese be represented? You could make them barbarians or part of the Republic of China, and give them a sherman or two randomly (I think we gave the KMT Shermans right?).

If the Chinese research "Shansi Incident", they also get Guerrilla Warfare, which represents the Common Front between the KMT and the Communists. If the British or Americans research "Burma Road" there is an economic benefit each turn to the Chinese player. Of course, if the Chinese lose Kunming or the Brits lose Mandalay, the benefit stops.