How about a PBEM subforum?

[Chris 62]

A real forum looks much neater, and avoids the "second class" citizen feeling that PBEMers would have in a sub MP forum.

[Pavlov]

exactly! man, you're writing what I am too tired to think.

[St Leo]

Oh, I used to juggle the SidGames forums around all the time. Every reorg resulted in a flurry of posting.

[The ANZAC]

I don't think moving the PBEMs out of the Spanish and SLeague forums is good. I support the reasons above as well as they have just become apart of these forums and taking them away destroys a little bit of the aura that makes SLeague and Spanish Civ2 Site what they are *waxing philosophical*

[Dr. Nick]

Create it if you want, but don't force us to not play in the SL and SF fora and don't move the games.

If people want to play PBEMs let them be free to choose what crowd they want to play with.

[Case]

An advantage of a dedicated PBEM forum is that it would help attract new players who are currently unaware that there's such as thing as PBEM Civ as they never visit the Sleague or Spanish boards...

[ravagon]

Originally posted by Case
An advantage of a dedicated PBEM forum is that it would help attract new players who are currently unaware that there's such as thing as PBEM Civ as they never visit the Sleague or Spanish boards...

A disadvantage of a dedicated PBEM forum is that it would help attract new players from the civ2 MP forum who are currently unaware that there's such a thing as PBEM Civ as they never visit the Sleague or Spanish boards...

All said and done I don't really think its worth the bother. A half dozen or so PBEM threads don't take up that much space to warrant moving them somewhere else. It probably makes it easier for the PBEMers too - having a page full of PBEM threads would only make it more difficult to distinguish between them. Trying to navigate through the Smac PBEM section of the old Acol boards was a nightmare...

[Case]

Originally posted by ravagon
A disadvantage of a dedicated PBEM forum is that it would help attract new players from the civ2 MP forum who are currently unaware that there's such a thing as PBEM Civ as they never visit the Sleague or Spanish boards...

Good point [especially when it comes to the guy who's soon to move to a house terrifingly near where I live]

[Cyrion]

2 reasons to keep the pbems where they are:

1) pbems are often used to test new scenarii

2) all the pbems are played on scenarii

And a 3rd, rather subjective, one: I'm used to check them where they are now...

[MarkG]

one would think that
people who play ip games != people who play pbem

[Jacobite1688]

I play a PBEM or two but my vote is:
Move 'em to their own forum!
The threads clutter the SLeague forum. We wont see this place become a ghost town - it was active before PBEM caught on. If your worried about losing traffic in the SLeague forum, invite the people you meet in the new PBEM forum to check us out. I guess it doesn't make that much difference to me, but my vote stands.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by MarkG
one would think that
people who play ip games != people who play pbem

You might think that Mark, but it's not the case at all.

Look at the names here and the SF and compare them to the MP forum.

Not many the same, in fact, outside of myself, none I can think of.

The two types of gaming are seperate and distinct, ask Ming if you don't believe me.

[Gothmog]

Originally posted by Jacobite1688
We wont see this place become a ghost town - it was active before PBEM caught on.

Doing a rough analysis of the active threads, the vast majority of them are PBEM. I'm not so sure about this place not becoming a ghost town. Even so, I agree the SL forum is cluttered and would prefer a separate PBEM forum.

[MarkG]

The two types of gaming are seperate and distinct

that's what i said

i used != not =

[Jay Bee]

Originally posted by techumseh
I'd be interested in your point of view, Jesus. The Spanish site is sort of parallel to SL, isn't it? Some scenario stuff and some PBEM. Will you keep both together?

If I can, yes, absolutely. Both forums are similar but the SF has a broader scope. We also talk Civ3 for instance, and organize MP games in addition to pbems.

The major problem that I see here is that some SL regulars would like the pbems removed. Not a single SF regular has requested that. Therefore this is not our war. While I admit that the guys who want the pbems out of the SL may have a point, I just do not understand why Mark's rule has to be applied to a forum which is pretty damn happy with the current state of things.

Some people in addition miss the fact that cheating in pbems is very easy. That's why many of us don't play with *anybody*. We play with people we know and trust. The people we know and trust are here, not in the MP forum.

I think ElAwr's solution is the best one. Create the MP subforum if you wish, but let the players decide whom to play and where to play.

(edit: spelling)