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    This mini-topic, "what would you like to see from me next", was inside the Second Front thread. I thought a separate topic for this was in order so here it is.

    I am only willing to do another WWII scenario, because this is my field of knowledge and I have a pretty substantial library of units/terrains/wonders etc. for it.

    Here are the proposed themes with their respective votes to date. Please copy the section below to your reply and add your vote to the tally so we can all keep score.

    Red Front 1.941 (New map): 2
    Stalingrad 1942 (Urban warfare): 2
    Finnish-Soviet War (Finnish side): 1
    Ardennes 1944 (American side): 0
    Ardennes 1944 (German side): 1
    France 1940 (German side): 0
    Afrikakorps (British or German): 0
    Battle of Britain (British side): 1 (My vote)

    Here are a few clarifications:

    -Red Front, the map is made, 10% bigger than the original and much better proportionned. Harlan made it and assigned city populations, resources, industrial areas etc... from actual 1941 figures. Historically the map is 100% better than the original. Some terrain is changed as hills have been reintroduced and there is a new "mineral" terrain representing the rich Ural region metal, chemical and coal deposits. Bereza and oilfields are lost as separate terrain types. The tech tree will be beefed up and there will be more variety in units through the years of the war.

    -Stalingrad: house to house fighting... yes each block would be a city but with no name and a hidden size. Again separate Civs for airforces but here I can let them be AI controlled since their role was not as critical as in Normandy (Hope to avoid the hotseat mode). Mostly infantry units to avoid the unrealistic aspect of having dozen of tanks inside one house. The scenario would cover the battle for the city of Stalingrad, not the broader campaign with the encirclement etc... I haven't chosen sides yet.
    Soviets would be more interesting IMHO as they have the Volga bridges/resupply barges... This even has the potential of being a two sides scenario as the historical details of the actual battle are less known.
    Special units: snipers, mortars, machine gun nests, a lot of different infantry types, light artillery.

    -Battle of Britain:
    Have a lot of good ideas here too. Human control of the RAF and Air defense network (Radar stations and Ack-ack guns). British population and industry represented by an AI producing no military units, just civilians, factories, trade trucks, cargo ships etc...
    Human player owns just a handful of factories producing the airplanes and AA guns + fixed airbases (These are units with air carrying capability) across the UK. The Luftwaffe can destroy the airbases reducing the operating ranges of the RAF fighters as well as bomb the aircraft factories. AA guns can be placed in defensive lines to protect the British cities but can't be inside the cities since they are AI controlled.
    Luftwaffe scores extra units/money for destroying factories, killing civilians, sinking ships and destroying airbases. If critical mass is reached (ie massive Luftwaffe superiority) an event triggers the release of 100 transport ships with German infantry from French channel ports...

    As you can see I thought most about these 3.

    This scenario building hobby of mine will end when CivIIs popularity falls off...release of Civ3?

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    chek tha otter thred

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    • #3
      With DarthVeda's vote:

      Red Front 1.941 (New map): 3
      Stalingrad 1942 (Urban warfare): 2
      Finnish-Soviet War (Finnish side): 1
      Ardennes 1944 (American side): 0
      Ardennes 1944 (German side): 1
      France 1940 (German side): 0
      Afrikakorps (British or German?): 0
      Battle of Britain (British side): 1


      [This message has been edited by Captain Nemo (edited October 13, 2000).]

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      • #4
        I love the Battle of Britain idea! So here´s the new result:


        Red Front 1.941 (New map): 3
        Stalingrad 1942 (Urban warfare): 2
        Finnish-Soviet War (Finnish side): 1
        Ardennes 1944 (American side): 0
        Ardennes 1944 (German side): 1
        France 1940 (German side): 0
        Afrikakorps (British or German?): 0
        Battle of Britain (British side): 2



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        • #5
          To add a little weight to your vote Bebro:

          -Forgot to mention veteran pilots... As each phase of the battle is loaded (How about 14 days, scenario could be played in 6-7 14-day rounds) Old planes that have survived previous encounters are upgraded to "Veterans" then "Aces" by moving the units around. It requires the use of Leonardo's to upgrade production regularly as in Red Front but is feasible.

          -Day-night raids: Red Front style change of season could be used to simulate Day/night raids alternating every 2 turns although this might require too frequent reloads? I would not expand the time-scale, just create a overall day-night alternation for strategic purposes. Interesting graphics, all terrain as black/grey silhouettes, cities/suburbs as black clusters with lighted windows and German planes as black shadows, almost invisible like the mines in SF?

          I guess I'm trying to sell the idea!!

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          • #6
            Afrika Korps--British and German
            Follow the masses!
            30,000 lemmings can't be wrong!

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            • #7
              Red Front 1.941 (New map): 4
              Stalingrad 1942 (Urban warfare): 2
              Finnish-Soviet War (Finnish side): 1
              Ardennes 1944 (American side): 0
              Ardennes 1944 (German side): 1
              France 1940 (German side): 0
              Afrikakorps (British or German?): 1
              Battle of Britain (British side): 2

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              • #8
                First let me say that I have the highest regard for you and Harlan and all the other scenario builders in the world. It takes great patience, vision, and time to come up with these. Thank you all very much from the bottom of my heart.

                Would it be possible for you to consider a naval scenario, say something in the Pacific? With a name like Captain Nemo, that would seem to make sense. I tried one once back in my Commodore 64 days and wouldn't mind seeing one crafted by you.

                If ground warfare is your area of expertise, so be it. But a naval scenario might be fun.

                Oops! Forgot to vote. Afrikakorps.

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                [This message has been edited by kcbob (edited October 13, 2000).]
                [This message has been edited by kcbob (edited October 13, 2000).]
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                • #9
                  Smash:
                  2194 Days of War is about as close as you can get with the entire WWII idea, IMHO. Trying to add the opening phases (Poland, France) would make it impossible...

                  I think I can get the Battle of Britain to work well if the AI bombers are attacking AI cities and AI units. You end up trying to defend one AI against the other. German bombers will have very high attack numbers but be vulnerable to Flak and fighters. German fighters will be divided in two groups, some with high defense and no attack to avoid idiotic attacks against cities. With the attack bit set they will travel with the bombers and defend them against Allied fighters. The other group of fighters will be of the normal type to attack British fighters. If I set the air attack/defense at much lower levels than the ground attack I should be able to insure that the fighters don't attack ground units... Flak could be "ships" with the air attack bit set and the paradrop capability so they can be placed in batteries around the cities but then not move and only attack adjacent airplanes...

                  Kcbob:
                  Harlan did a "War in the Pacific" scenario and advised me that the AI is too stupid and ends up requiring so much help that you are building the entire AI offensive for him.


                  Here is the tally with the 2 newest votes:

                  Red Front 1.941 (New map): 4
                  Stalingrad 1942 (Urban warfare): 2
                  Finnish-Soviet War (Finnish side): 1
                  Ardennes 1944 (American side): 0
                  Ardennes 1944 (German side): 1
                  France 1940 (German side): 0
                  Afrikakorps (British or German?): 3
                  Battle of Britain (British side): 2


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                  • #10
                    Starlingrad, both sides if possible.

                    I like the Afrikakorps idea as well

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                    • #11
                      Though I understand it's easiest to build a scenario with the units that are already available, I am a bit disappointed that you chose to do yet another ww2 scenario. Do not understand me wrong, I like ww2 scenarios, I like SF, but there are a few thousand years more of history than just those, well, 2194 days.

                      The Bayeux idea that you proposed a long time ago still seems very very nice. I myself would long ago have done it were it not that I do not have the necessary information and knowledge. Also, there are more wars that deserve attention.

                      But, if you choose another ww2 scenario, and if we are given the choice to which you are going to make, then I would pick France 1940. I would prefer it from the French side, but the German side would also be fun. And, of course, Holland might be a part of the scenario. hehe.

                      My own personal best choice of a ww2 scenario would be Fall Gelb, but that was not in the list

                      That makes the score:

                      Red Front 1.941 (New map): 4
                      Stalingrad 1942 (Urban warfare): 2
                      Finnish-Soviet War (Finnish side): 1
                      Ardennes 1944 (American side): 0
                      Ardennes 1944 (German side): 1
                      France 1940 (German side): 1
                      Afrikakorps (British or German?): 3
                      Battle of Britain (British side): 2

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                      • #12
                        Captain Nemo seems to be most intrested in the Battle of Britain idea, I would love to see what he would come up with.

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                        • #13
                          I would like to see that Afrikakorps, both sides (I'd love to play as the Desert Fox), but I would also like to see the Battle of the Bulge (Allied side). The Battle of Britain would be an interesting concept, a scenario based on air war (a first).

                          Put my vote under Afrikakorps
                          *grumbles about work*

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                          • #14
                            Ooo, this is a really hard decision. I like the Stalingrad idea very much, but I also like the Battle of Britain. Market Garden would be nice, also maybe you might consider the Burma Campaign? I think I put my vote with... Stalingard!!!

                            It would be nice having an urban scenario. You could have the sniper duels between the top German and Russian sniper who were sent to Stalingrad... When does this poll end.

                            Oh, here's the updated chart:

                            Red Front 1.941 (New map): 4
                            Stalingrad 1942 (Urban warfare): 3
                            Finnish-Soviet War (Finnish side): 1
                            Ardennes 1944 (American side): 0
                            Ardennes 1944 (German side): 1
                            France 1940 (German side): 1
                            Afrikakorps (British or German?): 4
                            Battle of Britain (British side): 2


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                            • #15
                              Your scenarios are usually too complex for me, but Stalingrad is what I would most like to see now. But I know anything you do will be a work of art.

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