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[Stefan Härtel]

Sorry to disturb:

NEWSFLASH
Shocking the Civ2 world, I have finally released Darius the Great version 2.2!!!!! There's a thread for the disbelievers

Awesome map, BeBro. I'll check it out more carefully later on.

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[BeBMan]

As I´m writing this I´m downloading D2.2...

Thanks for the comments, nowt to your questions:

Shadowstrike, the map size is 75x130.

Prometeus, thanks for the hints, I have seen some nice relief maps, but I don´t know what type of terrain they have north of the Black Sea and around the Caspian that time. Aren´t there also some deserts?

BTW, the thing I most like on this map is the viewing angle. Therefore, this map doesn´t show to much of the (unnessecary) areas in the northeast...

[Prometeus]

quote: Originally posted by BeBro on 07-24-2000 11:15 AM I don´t know what type of terrain they have north of the Black Sea and around the Caspian that time. Aren´t there also some deserts?

According to paleobotanic sources, forest was common around reliefs in the area; the other places were mainly steppes. Desertification process started later, in late medieval times.



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[St Leo]

If I can see the cities properly, Rome, Athens and Carthage all appear to be Roman.

I think those are the starting positions in the Map Editor.

Aren´t there also some deserts?

Yes.

Map of World Forests
Potential Eurasian Vegetation

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[St Leo]

According to paleobotanic sources, forest was common around reliefs in the area; the other places were mainly steppes. Desertification process started later, in late medieval times.

Thee da man!

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[BeBMan]

Uhh, that server slowdown thing make me crazy...

Thanks for the terrain advices Prometeus .

And yes, St.Leo, you are right with the starting positions.

[Shadowstrike]

The Macedonian starting location looks like its in Thrace. Isn't it a bit further north?

[Stefan Härtel]

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[This message has been edited by Stefan Härtel (edited July 26, 2000).]

[Stefan Härtel]

No, the Macedonian starting position should be only one square to the west. Right now it's on the Chalkidike, and has got access to the sea (The Macedonians had only one harbour, I believe it was Methone).

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[Stefan Härtel]

quote: Pidna, Stefan. :d

According to a book of mine that details the rise of Philippos II, the royal harbour of Macedonia was Methone. Pydna was a fortress on the coast. But it lay more south of Pella. On the other hand, it came under Macedonian rule earlier than Methone, so I can of course be mistaken

BeBro: Will you give the Illyrians a significant role in your scenario?

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[BeBMan]

To the start positions: I´m usually not very careful with them in the map editor, but I correct such things directly in the scn via cheat mode (create settler on the right location ).

Stefan, I´ll try to include some of the Illyrian cities in the Mediterraneans civ. It would be nice to have their coastal cities as bases for little pirate ships (if the AI isn´t to stupid for this ). But this is another thing that has to be tested.
Do you know the (beta-) scn from SCDARS , currently on the Largest German Civ2 page as "Kelten"? He had exactly the same idea, but his AI pirates do nothing, except sailing around...

[Prometeus]

Sorry, stefan, i misunderstanded you...
Anyway, Pidna and Demetrias were not only coastal fortress in Antigonids times ( so, after Alexander the Great ), but also harbours and granaries.
[This message has been edited by Prometeus (edited July 26, 2000).]

[Stefan Härtel]

BeBro: Some facts about the Illyrians. During the time the scenario starts, the leading power there were the Dardanians. The lived a little north of Macedonia (in today's FYROM), around the city of Stobi. Their cities were invincible fortresses because they were situated above clips and so forth.
Their most important king was Bardylis, who was a distant relative of Philippos. Bardylis got very old (nearly 100, I think). A big threat for the Macedonians in any way.
BTW, are you going to note the time when Philippos was viceroy of Lynkestis?

Prometeus: It is very interesting to know that during the classical Age, there was a new foundation of Pydna. The elder Pydna remained a fortress, but the settlement was moved a bit north.
Methone, BTW, was the only Poleis of Macedonia...

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[Prometeus]

quote: Originally posted by Stefan Härtel on 07-26-2000 04:40 AM (The Macedonians had only one harbour, I believe it was Methone).

Pidna, Stefan. :d

[BeBMan]

Thanks for the info, Stefan!
At the moment I do the first serious work on the scn, placing cities and so on. Currently, the biggest civ are the Barbs... . Nice to see when they capture around 20 cities in one turn . This time it seems also that they would produce the units they should, the shield rows filling up. I hope that it remains like this, it would save a lot of events space...