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and it was Britain who stood alone against Hitler.
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...not to mention the other Commonwealth countries
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At the same time when the powerfull British Empire was "standing alone" against a nation with limited strategic options such as Germany, there was also a small Balkan nation at the very edge of Europe that was facing the simultaneous invasions of Germany, Italy and Bulgaria. They even achieved the first victory of the allies in the war by counterattacking in Albania.
As usual, British betrayal contributed to its defeat.
It was about the same time as the infamous battle of Britain."Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII
All those who want to die, follow me!
Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.Comment
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Rolling Stones, Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Ozzy Osbourne and IRON MAIDENOriginally posted by Palaiologos
I mean the only good thing ever to come out of that island is Austin Powers.
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I think India got there first with the civilisation thing - we were still running around in animal skins when the people of the Indus valley were building citiesOriginally posted by GoPostal
Most of the world is civilised because of Britain (especially Scotland), India, Japan, China, N America, Ireland, S Africa, East Africa, and it was Britain who stood alone against Hitler.
I take your point about civilising Scotland (j/k Curt
) but I'm not sure where Japan and China come into it though, unless you count the British turning the whole of China into opium addicts. Ireland? Well we massacred lots of Irish and stood aside while they starved in the 1850s. Our record in Africa wasn't too stunning either.
And as Case said, we weren't exactly standing alone against Hitler; Canada, Australia, N Zealand and S Africa had the option of not declaring war on Germany but stood by Britain.
@Pericles: As usual you're full of it, you lousy Balkan poustes
What makes you think Austin Powers had anything to do with Britain? Mike Myers is a Canadian for God's sake. 
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Originally posted by Palaiologos
As usual, British betrayal contributed to its defeat.
Britain (and Australia and NZ) certainly didn't betray Greece - Churchill (foolishly) abandoned the Libyan campaign to rush elite troops into Greece (after the Greek government belatedly agreed to this - they had refused earlier offers of troops in order to avoid upsetting the Germans). During the fighting, the Commonwealth forces did retreat with unseemly haste, but had they retreated any slower they would have been destroyed. Indeed, the Commonwealth books on the Greek Campaign blame the Greek Army for letting the Commonwealth down
As for Crete: the very near sucessful defence of that Island cost the Royal Navy much of it's strength in the Med, as well as over a division's worth of infantry.
All up, the Commonwealth's intervention in Greece cost it about 3 divisions worth of infantry (more if you count the losses incurred in the prolonged North African Campaign), about a third of the RN in the Eastern Med, and probably added a year to the North African war.
Incidently, Australians also blame the British for betrayal over the Greek adventure - Churchill lied to both the Australian commander in the Middle East and the Australian government in order to get our 6th Division and the I Australian Corps HQ (he told the government that the Aussie Commander was happy with the troops going to Greece and the Aussie commander that the Australian government was about to approve the deployment and that they weren't interested in hearing his misgivings. As a result, both the General and the Government overruled their concerns over the venture in the mistaken belief that the other approved of it. The resulting disarster in Greece ended up bringing down the Australian government).'Arguing with anonymous strangers on the internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be - or to be indistinguishable from - self-righteous sixteen year olds possessing infinite amounts of free time.'
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Ok!
This is on the events of 1066. If you want to argue about World War 2, go to some other thread.
However, America saved Britian.
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The sun never sets on the British Empah!> INSERT RANDOM COMMENT HERE<Comment
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Yet, but if India was so civilised, why did they have Thugee ubtil the East India Company (Scots) put a stop to it? Also, the colonies are part of the British Empire. And Fairline, you have misunderstood my comment, I meant Scotland was doing the civilising.Comment
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Well, I am one Brit (and there are others here) who remembers Greece in 1940-41 and her noble defiance against the Axis powers.Originally posted by Palaiologos
Ahem....
At the same time when the powerfull British Empire was "standing alone" against a nation with limited strategic options such as Germany, there was also a small Balkan nation at the very edge of Europe that was facing the simultaneous invasions of Germany, Italy and Bulgaria. They even achieved the first victory of the allies in the war by counterattacking in Albania.
As usual, British betrayal contributed to its defeat.
It was about the same time as the infamous battle of Britain.
Well, history is history, and I cannot speak for the now dead British men of that time.
But the British armies in 1940 had at many times a choice between utter annihilation or escape...
Bad though it seems, we chose to retreat and fight on.
Rather than suffer pointless but heroic destruction...
Not the first time, and not the last.Comment
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LOL!Originally posted by POTUS
Ok!
This is on the events of 1066. If you want to argue about World War 2, go to some other thread.
However, America saved Britian.
Happy New Year!!
In reality, Hitler's cretinous war tactics saved the UK, but Happy New Year anyway!
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If America's hand had not been forced by Japan, Britain would probably have been at war with Hitler for much longer, but would hav eeventually survived.Comment
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Alright guys, we should probably stop threadjacking and keep the debate to the OT. POTUS is trying to put together a scenario and I think we should give him a hand instead of debating about stuff unrelated to 1066.Originally posted by POTUS
Ok!
This is on the events of 1066. If you want to argue about World War 2, go to some other thread.
However, America saved Britian.
Happy New Year!!
So, POTUS, any graphics in mind? Units? Will the Normans be event driven or will they be a seperate civ?
Try this website for information. It has a few maps of 10th century Britain, history, etc...
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Our navy scared off any 1940 invasion attempts.
And by the time the US arrived in force (mid-1943) the USSR
had made sure the nazis had NO longer a chance of ever invading the UK or anything!
And about the cold-war USSR in the 1950s?
We would have given them the same treatment we gave Hitler.
The British do not crack under pressure.
Our navy and terrain where a major factor in thwarting any invasions for the last 200 years.
The USA should be proud.
They are the only foreign power that has made it ashore onto our island since the Dark Ages.Comment
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POTUS, my apologies.
I have said my last words off topic, dude.
Let's talk scenario.
What kind of map are you using?
I presume it will be a biggie, and with some of Europe too?Comment
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My last OT, sorry
The RN has prevented invasion since 1588Comment
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