Soundwave - an explanation

[Caspian]

Well, I have been a member of Apolyton for some time but am not as prolific a poster as most of you. In my opinion, Exile has every right to be angry about another taking credit for his work. However, I certainly think whoever banned SW was being abit harsh. Gee, that is someone who can say "serious consequencies" and REALLY mean it! There should be a few vacancies at the UN for you after last night. Anyway, I hope that SW will appologise to Exile and be allowed back on so you can all start having fun again. However strongly we feel, it's not worth upsetting people about. Civ is a hobby after all.

That's what I think anyway.

[edit] spelling correction

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Shaka Naldur

and what is that about the wrong file benig posted??

He told me that he had made a completely new version of History with several units files to be activated by a batch file, a new tech tree, and a different map. He did this so that he wouldn't be accused of ripping off Age of War. However, this new version that would save his reputation was 'conveniently' destroyed by a computer virus. So, I guess this goes on faith.

[EmuGod]

Maybe if he could get his new version out so that people (including Exile) could see that it is completely different, he could be unbanned?

[Case]

I have to say that I doubt that SW is actually banned. As far as I know, Apolyton has a policy where mods who ban people have to contact the banee via a PM [which can be sent and recieved while banned] or email, and then post the details of the ban on the 'secret' mods board.

Given that SW hasn't recieved any notification, and that the offending files which constitute his only banable(?) offence are still attached to his posts, I really doubt that SW is actually banned. From memnory, early last year SW thought that he'd been banned on CFC when it turned out that he just had his browser settings wrong,* and I suspect that something similar is happening here (that or SW just doesn't want to face his critics).


On the topic of plagerism, I've included a note in all my scenarios readmes giving permission for the scenario to be modified in any way as long as I remain credited for my work, and the various other people who contributed to the scenario (eg graphics designers, etc) remain credited for what portions of their work remain in the mod. IMO, this is a fair and reasonable thing to ask (that said, I have no problem with people who impose tougher restrictions on would-be modifiers: after all, it's their work).

As for my personal expericance of modifing other peoples scenarios; I was careful to ask Harlan Thompson for permission to release graphical upgrades for his work, and, from memory, I sent him the files to make sure that he was happy with what I was releasing.


* At least, that was his explination for having a string of DLs at CFC

[H Tower]

I say BS to him being banned. That thread wasn't even locked. SW's playing for sympathy and I'm willing to put money on it.

[Ming]

Uh um...

Did Soundwave by any chance just change his email address...

His status shows as awaiting email confirmation... NOT restricted or ban.

Tell him to check his email for the confirmation email.

If he didn't, have him email me at the address in my signature and I will fix any problem he might have.

HE IS NOT BANNED...

(unless somebody tried to do it, made a mistake changing his status, didn't correct it, and didn't post about it in our ban log... all highly unlikey)

[Case]

As I screwed up my account at Historic-Battles a couple of days ago, I really shouldn't laugh

...but I can't help myself:

[Exile]

edit; clarification--this is a response to SW's not being banned and claiming that he was. Yeah, Case, I'd laugh too if I weren't the target of this business.

[Ming]

Oh and by the way... If somebody is banned, posting a thread for them to speak will only get you banned.

So Darius871... you better hope he really wasn't banned, because we do shoot the messenger...

[Darius871]

I know, it was a calculated risk (supposedly Cyrion was going to post but I happened to be online when SW finished typing his response).

Anyway, we'll never know about the new scenario since it was either really destroyed or he's lying. Also he'll probably disappear for a month or two like usual so we won't know if he was really banned.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Darius871
so we won't know if he was really banned.

He wasn't... so now you know

[NikolajRomanov]

I think there isn't anything wrong if you use other person's ideas and concepts if you credit them. If anyone hasn't done this it doesn't need to be plagerism it could be that he only forgets it. I am currently working on my Imperialism 1904-1919/20 scn and i am using units from the "History" scenario a giga world map from an old WWII scn. and modified events from some other WWII scn. especially if you aren't a good artist (in fact I am a very bad artist) you NEED to use other people's graphics. If anyone haven't credited me in his scn. I wouldn't be that harsh. I would simply recommend
him to credit me or to show that it isn't my work

Always remember:
Was du nicht willst das man dir tu
Das füg auch keinem andern zu
and:
"Schlägt dir jemand auf die linke Wange
dann halte auch die rechte hinn."
copyright by - Jesus Christus - (I hope he will not ban me for this plagerism)

[Mercator]

Originally posted by NikolajRomanov
[...] If anyone haven't credited me in his scn. I wouldn't be that harsh. I would simply recommend
him to credit me or to show that it isn't my work

Nobody here objects to his map/graphics/tech tree/whatever to be used by someone else, even if one or two things remain (accidentally) uncredited. But from what I can tell Soundwave released pretty much the exact same scenario, without crediting.
Although according to Soundwave he simply uploaded the wrong scenario??

[Dr. Nick]

So he isn't banned? What an attention whore.

[our_man]

This is probably nitpicking but...

If Soundwave were under the impression that he uploaded was completely new, why did he refer to it as v1.2? I know if the changes I made to a scenario were as extensive as his claimed to be, I'd be re-releasing it as a v2.0.

Since this new version was 'deleted' , I guess we'll never know the truth. If what's he's telling us all along has been true, he must be the most misunderstood person in the world.