ok, as the secrecy is broken ...

[fairline]

Check out this site:

http://orzel1944.tripod.com/palha.html

You just need to use a brit para graphic with the polish para bde symbol (red not maroon)

[fairline]

Originally posted by jim panse

Maybe this looks like a polish para?!

posted as you were posting

Looks about right to me

[jim panse]

As I´m currently updating the unit list ...

I want to have some feedback from you which units are well-choosen and which I should leave out.

Germans:

Widerstandsnest (Resistance Position)
German POW
Wehrmacht
Volksgrenadiere
Waffen SS
Panzerjäger (AT Soldiers armed w/Panzerfaust)
MG 42 Troop
Fallschirmjäger (Paratroopers)
PzKpfw II Ausf G (armored Recon Vehicle)
PzKpfw III Ausf L
SS PzKpfw V Panther
SS PzKpfw VI Tiger
SS PzKpfw VI Königstiger (Tiger II, King Tiger)
SS Panzergrenadiere
StuG III Ausf H
5cm PaK 35/36 (50mm AT Gun)
7,5cm PaK 40 (75mm AT Gun)
7,5cm IG 18 (75mm Infantry Support Gun)
SS SdKfz 7/2 FlaKwagen (single 37mm AA Gun mounted on a half-tracked vehicle)
SS Jagppanzer IV/70 (Tank Destroyer)
4x2cm FlaK
8,8cm FlaK/PaK
SdKfz 234/2 Puma
SdKfz 251/21
Ju-88A
Ju-87D StuKa
Me-262A-1a Schwalbe
Fw-190D
Bf-109G

Allies:

* Market
1st Parachute Division (UK)
82nd Airborne "All American"
101st Airborne "Screaming Eagles"
1st Polish Parachute Brigade
M8 75mm Pack Howitzer
Willys MB Ford 4x4 Jeep

*Garden
Infantry
PIAT Troop
6pdr AT Gun
17pdr AT Gun
M4A2 Sherman
Achilles Mk.IB (Tank Destroyer)
Sherman IVC Firefly
Mk.VIII Cromwell
M3A1 Halftrack Troop Carrier
25pdr Sexton GPO
Bren Universal Carrier
Daimler Mk.II Armored Car
M5A1 Honey

* Air Forces
Spitfire Mk.IX
P-51D Mustang
P-47D Thunderbolt
Hawker Typhoon (does anyone know the correct production number?)
B-24 Liberator


Still do be included:

Dutch Civilians
Small Boats (to get the airborne troops over the rivers)
What about a Glider???


Any other suggestions, ideas, etc.?

[GePap]

Leave out the Stuka and Me-262. Perhaps even the Ju-88. As was said before, german airpower did not really make a difference. Cut the number of german AT guns: i can't see why anyone would make the 50mm if you have panzerjeager and 75 mm guns to kill tanks with. Unless there were many pumas and other types of armored cars, why not keep it down to one type of german armored car? And do yu really need the PzIII L? What role in the scenrio does it fulfill that no other vehicle could?

I think the allies are fine. As for boats to have the paras cross roivers: where woudl they come from? built in a town during the fighting? created by events? Why not create places were troops could ford, beyond the major bridge areas?

[jim panse]

Thanks for these advices, GePap.

* I´ll leave the German bombers (Ju-88 and Ju-87 out) as well as the Me-262.

* I´ve included a Horsa Glider unit.

* I may give the Airborne troops a AT Gun as well. What do you think? (instead od the German 50mm AT Gun).

* Should I leave the PzKw III Ausf L out? I´m thinking about that fact.

* The boats would be event-created.


Could some of you graphics masters do me a favor? I would need an improved P-47D Thunderbolt (the best would be fairline or curtsibling style *hinthint* but I´d like to see this plane improved).

Thanks for now & keep the comments going!

[Case]

Instead of individual weapons types, have you considered making the units proper combat units? (ie combined-arms battalions). In my geekish wargamer mind making units individual weapons simply doesn't work at a map scale greater then one square/hex = 500m

The advantage of this approach is that you could have a more 'war-gamey' feel to the scenario & better represent the units involved on all sides.

If you stick with your current approach, leave the Bren carrier out: these were generally used as small tracked cargo trucks and not APCs per-se. Similarly, the Halftrack unit should be renamed motorised infantry (which is what the Brits called their handful of [excelent] halftrack mounted battalions).

[fairline]

To be even more wargamer geeky, if you do keep the individual units you need to make the following changes:

British armoured divisions in NW Europe used Sherman V and Sherman VC (firefly) exclusively - ie Sherman M4A4. The independent armoured brigades used mainly Sherman III (M4A2). The British always referred to them as 'Sherman V' etc and not the US designation.

Cromwells were only used by the 7th Armoured Division (the famous Desert Rats) and by the Armoured Recce Regiments of the other two armoured Divisions. The main variant was the Cromwell IV, with some Cromwell VII with improved armour. The Mk VI and VIII were the 95mm howitzer-armed versions which were used for close-support and were not gun-tanks.

Lastly, you have used my Stuart I (M3) graphic for a Stuart VI (M5). They looked quite a bit different.

If you use Case's idea of battalion-strength units then you need the following for a British Armoured Division:

Armoured Car Regt (Humber or Daimler)
Armoured Recce Regiment (Cromwell tanks)
3 Armoured Regiments (Sherman V and VC)
1 Motor Infantry Bn (M3 half-tracks)
3 Lorried Infantry Bns
1 RHA / RFA Regiment (Sextons)
1 RFA Regiment (25-pdr)
1 AT Regt (Achilles / 17-pdr)
1 Lt AA Regt (40 and 20mm AA)

Apologies to non-wargamer-geeks for knowing this useless stuff

[jim panse]

@ fairline, case: That´s what I wanted to hear . Thanks a lot!

@ fairline: (1)

1 RFA Regiment (25-pdr)

= Sextons???
(2)

1 Lt AA Regt (40 and 20mm AA)

= Crusader AA Tank or something else???
(3)

3 Lorried Infantry Bns

= lorried/carried by which vehicles???

Thanks in advance!

[fairline]

Originally posted by jim panse
@ fairline: (1) = Sextons???
(2) = Crusader AA Tank or something else???
(3) = lorried/carried by which vehicles???

Thanks in advance!

(1) Each armoured division had 1 towed artillery regiment (25-pdr towed by Quads, usually RFA) and 1 SP artillery Regt (Sexton 25-pdr SP, usually RHA). In the case of the Guards Armoured Division these were both RFA Regiments.

(2) Crusader AA tanks were only used by the AA-component of the individual armoured Regiments; these had been disbanded before the end of the Normandy campaign. The Divisional Lt AA Regt used mainly Bofors 40-mm, either towed or mounted on a Morris C9B truck.

(3) Lorried infantry were transported in lorries (!). They obviously foot on foot, however, so I would use an infantryman graphic for these, and M3 halftrack gfx for the Motor Bn.

[fairline]

If your interested, The equivalent for a British infantry division is as follows:

9 infantry Bns (in 3 Brigades)
1 Recce Regt (Humber/Daimler/universal carrier)
1 MG Bn (universal carrier with Vickers MG)
3 RFA Regts (towed 25-pdrs, or in the case of the 3rd Inf Div M7 Priest SP)
1 AT Regt (towed 6-pdrs)
1 Lt AA Regt (Bofors 40mm)
Divisional Engineers

[jim panse]

Thanks a lot Gareth, you saved my day!

One more thing to ask: Do you have a graphic of a Bofors 40mm AA Gun?

[fairline]

Might as well post a British Airborne Division equivalent as well:

1 AB Armoured Rece Regt (Tetrarch Lt tanks - armoured jeeps for Market-Garden)
1 Pathfinder Company
6 Para Bns in 2 Para Brigades
3 Glider infantry Bns in 1 Airlanding Brigade
1 Airlanding Light Regt RA (75mm Pack howitzer + jeeps)
1 Airlanding AT Regt RA (6-pdr AT + jeeps)
1 Airlanding AA Regt RA (20mm AA)
Airborne Royal Engineers

[jim panse]

Big huge "Thank you, Garteh"

@ fairline: Thank you very, very much for your informations, they are helping me a lot.

@ all: I´m editing the units right now following fairline´s list and OOB´s and I came that far till now:

The Garden component of the units will consist of the following units:
Infantry Bn
6pdr AT Regt
MG Bn (on Bren Universal Carriers)
Recce Regt (Daimler Arm. Car)
RFA Regt (25pdrs)
Lt AA Regt (Bofors 40mm AA Gun on Bedford Trucks)

Guards Armoured Division:
Lorried Infantry Bn (on Bedford trucks)
Sherman V Comp
Achilles AT Comp
Sherman VC Firefly Comp
Armored Car Regt (Daimler Arm. Car)
Mot. infantry Bn (M3 Halftrack Carriers)
RFA Regt (Sextons)
Arm. Recce Regt (Cromwells)
Lt AA Regt (same as above)

* I´m thinking about leaving out the M5A1 Light Tank. What do you think?

* Units will come later this day ...... stay tuned!

[jim panse]

XXX Corps Units!

1st row: Infantry Bn, RFA Regt (25pdr; I´m still searching a better graphic for that unit), 6pdr AT Regt, Lorried Infantry Bn, Sherman V;

2nd row: Achilles AT Comp, Sherman VC Comp, Arm. Car Regiment, Mot. Infantry Bn, RFA Regt (Sexton);

3rd row: MG Bn (Bren Carrier), Recce Regt, Arm. Recce Regt (Cromwell), Lt AA Regt (Bofors on Bedford Trucks), Lt AA Regt.

What do you think?

[techumseh]

Great units! Could you give us a bit of a description of the game concepts and mechanics? How will you simulate the threat of the Germans blowing bridges?