Roman Empire

[fairline]

Originally posted by Palaiologos I want to know if the Arabs used Dromonts as well, or was it simply a generic military word for ships in Roman vocabulary.

By the ninth century there was apparently little difference between the Byzantine dromon and the Arab equivalent, the shini. They both used lateen sails and double rows of oarsmen. The big book of ships I got this info from also states that they both used siphons for fire throwing, although I thought that 'greek fire' was used only by the Byzantines.

Leo the Wise and Mersius list the various sizes of dromon: dromon (100 oars), yacht (50 oars), selander (150 oars), all of which had 2 banks of oars. Galleys had one bank of oars, although apparently the term was used to describe all rowed fighting ships in later centuries.

[fairline]

Originally posted by Palaiologos
Is it true that remnants of the gallant Varangian guard survived until the very siege of Constantinople? There are obscure reports.

I have read that they were replaced with a Cretan unit at the 1420s.

If this is so, were they the same Cretans that, fortified in a tower, repelled wave after wave of Turks that they were finally allowed to leave in peace, in honour of their courage?

I suspect that we've got the same source for this (Byxantine Armies 1118 - 1461) but here goes anyway:

The last reference to the Varangian Guard was made in 1404, so it's possible they still existed at the siege of Constantinople in 1453. A Cretan guard unit, mentioned in 1422, probably was present in 1453 and may have replaced the Varangians.

[Palaiologos]

Yes, the source is the same(B.armies 1118-1461).


Thanks for the Dromon info.
The Arabs had tried unsuccefully to immitate Greek fire, thats why their ships had a siphon mounted on them.

[Palaiologos]

When was Venice founded?

I've read that survivors of Attila's sack of Aquilleia founded it, circa 452 AD.

Any idea how to implement this in the scenario?

I can't just create settler units after the fall of Aquileia, since in civ2 cities can't be razed unless size 1.

Plus the player will propably use the settlers to other task, rather than founding a city close to the enemy(Huns).

[Palaiologos]

Does anybody have any info on the White Hun invasion of the Persian Empire(454AD)?


And a bit more specialized question: What is known of the infrastructure and road network of the Sassanid Empire?

[Civfan]

Originally posted by Palaiologos
When was Venice founded?

I've read that survivors of Attila's sack of Aquilleia founded it, circa 452 AD.

Any idea how to implement this in the scenario?

I can't just create settler units after the fall of Aquileia, since in civ2 cities can't be razed unless size 1.

Plus the player will propably use the settlers to other task, rather than founding a city close to the enemy(Huns).

Actually you can use the events to remove the city by changing the terrain and then create a unit on another square.
ex.
if city taken
city=Aquileia
defender=Romans
attacker=anybody
then
changeterrain
192,20,192,20,192,20,192,20
end if

its not totally accurate but you should get the picture. Theres a scenario sedpicting the punic wars in which carthage is razed off the map. i think its at csc.

[Civfan]

Originally posted by Palaiologos
Does anybody have any info on the White Hun invasion of the Persian Empire(454AD)?


And a bit more specialized question: What is known of the infrastructure and road network of the Sassanid Empire?

Dont know to much about the white huns but the Sassanian king Bahram was able to defeat the White Huns in Persia. Also I'm not sure where the resources are at the moment but if I remember right the White Huns defeated and I think killed a Sassianian king when they entered Persia.

heres a website

http://www.livius.org/sao-sd/sassanids/sassanids.htm

[Palaiologos]

Thanks civfan.

[Palaiologos]

Byzantine troops, 12-13th century.

[Palaiologos]

Roman troops, 14th century.

[Civfan]

just out of curiousity, what type of military training was there during the byzantine empire. I know it wouldn't be on par with the 1st century romans but any know?

[Palaiologos]

Hmmm.....

Civfan although your question is a bit unclear to me, i will try and answer. I will use the word "Romans" for Imperial armies up to 4th century and "Byzantines" from then on.

The Roman army based its victories on drill and discipline, while the Byzantines on generalship and tactics. To qualify for the officer rank a Byzantine citizen must have been Greek-speaking(not neccesarily of the Greek race) and orthodox in religion.

While the Romans used the same tactic(heavy-infantry block with supporting cavalry on the flanks), the Byzantines used a different tactic against different kind of enemies(from Norman Knights to Persian irregulars and Avars).

During the 9th-10th century the Byzantine Empire fell into a state of anarchy. The Arabs took advantage of this and ravaged Asia minor. The Byzantine warfare then adapted to a form of "Shadowing warfare". Arab bands were carefully followed by a regular army and ambussed while they were full with loot. Effective as this tactic was, it did not prevent collapse of the agricultural economy of Asia Minor. Byzantine counter-raid followed arab raid and the outcome was a destroyed economically zone between the two nations that prevented major military offensives.

Under the reign of the Macedonian dynasty, the Imperial army regained its former glory and vigor and conquered its enemies. However it only slowed the inevitable colapse.

In Leo's "Taktika" the training of the Byz.army is described in full detail. Every footman must learn the use of the bow in addition to that of the spear, and each knight must carry a longbow for mounted use. They must be trained to fight in close as well in open ranks(the infantry). Different enemies require different tactics. The general must not hessitate to lie to his troops about favorable omens in order to motivate them. If facing a superior foe he must camp behind a hill, lest the men understand the odds against them and loose heart. If defeated in battle, the general must not attempt a second "round" while the men have lost confidence in him. It is no dishonour to retreat and reorganize. If leading a large force it is best to invade the enemy's territory as soon as possible, to place the burden of supplying the army on the enemy countryland.

[Palaiologos]

At its height, the Byzantine Army was the best military machine of the whole world. It defeated enemies such diverse as heavy Norman knights, Arab infantrymen and the Bulgarians who used the same fighting technics as they.

[fairline]

Palaiologos, have you considered using 'batch files of terror' to upgrade your units without using up additional slots, seeing that you are covering such a large time period. In this way you can replace effective 3rd Century legions with poor quality Limitanei at a predetermined historical point, without the player having to 'upgrade'.

If you are in doubt about the batch file structure, check out FMK's tips in the thread started by Exile

[fairline]

Here are some units you may (or may not!) find useful:
Roman guard infantry, Legio V Macedonica (limitanei), Equites Stablesiani cavalry and Visigoth infantry, all from the reign of Justinian