Got an idea for a byzantine scenario :)

[Mercator]

Originally posted by varwnos
Herreson's city graphics will be probably used (or were they made by Heraclius?)

Heraclius is the name of the scenario.

[Varwnos]

Amazing bit of info

[tanelorn]

Originally posted by Palaiologos
May we assume that it will be based on the book "ston Kairo tou Boulgaroktonou" (at the time of the Bulgar slayer-Basil II for the unelightened)?

Cool idea!

What's the chance of me having read that same overbiased nationalistic rant!!!! (And enjoyed it somethat -shame, shame on me - )
What's the chance of working next to that drop-dead gorgeous blonde Bulgarian informatics-expert miss tomorrow and bearing all the guilt... And she's not even a PAOK fan.
I have to blame you for reminding me of that crap, Periklakia!!!!!!!!
It's a globalised world we live in, mind you.

[Varwnos]

the problem with nationalism is that the talk leads to crime, and then the crime is used to back the talk etc, it is a vicious circle. but then again imagine all those poor albanian old men trying to cope with the fact that their lives were ruined just because they happened to be born in albania, it is going to be hard for them to accept that. and then some people here (and in the rest of europe ofcourse) who just seek a way to express their inner rage, which ussually doesnt have the slightest real relation with foreigners, but it has serius relations with their childhood.
like someone said: the world is ugly, but life is beautiful

[Varwnos]

new unit "psilos". The psiloi (the word means "light" in greek) were basically the least powerful units of the byzantine army, and they were ussually petsenegs or other merceneries. It is the white archer in bottom left, and it looks tres cool i think

[Valuk]

varwnos: I didn't picture Bulgaria or Asia Minor as fantasy states, I just meant to emphasise that there wsa much confusion and semi-independent areas there even before Manzikert, but things got out of hand in 1071-81, when there wasn't much in the way of centalised gouvernment in the Empire, and the emperor contolled only the capital nad a few other areas.

[Varwnos]

Well here is a still from the map, this is the most northern part of the map, and there are some bulgarian units preparing to fight the combined imperial & epirotan army (the epirotan unit is the sky blue shield one, the imperial ones are the deep blue shields). You can also see the epirotan city of Nikopolis and a castle.

not sure what i will do, atm there are some "inn" civilizations, but i am not sure that that is a good idea. i never was into rpg's so i will need some help as far as ideas go. otherwise this isnt going to work at all.

here is the pic anyway

[Varwnos]

Ok. i realised that the horse unit i made was utter crap, so i made a new horse unit, a "serius horse unit" (just imagine that this is austin powers, the movie). So this "serius horse unit" is a lot better, and looks a bit like the paintings of st george slaying the dragon (i am not christian, but its a cool image i guess). Here is the "serius horse unit", but just before that i would like to say that i dont understand why i am the only one participating in the thread, certainly i am not going to make this scenario on my own, i havent got the time or ability to make the terrain and all of the units. like i said i need: church terrain, inn terrain, fantasy characters (knights, no wizards) and also some cool icons would be helpfull, byzantine ones from the european part of the empire (ok i am not that picky). Ofcourse i am not *****ing about this and that, i am a friendly person It is just that i like it when people take part in a project, it isnt fun to try to make everything on your own, and besides i am working on the units atm Also a word or two about the units wouldnt hurt, although this might be just me (i like hearing praises)

[Cyrion]

Originally posted by varwnos
Ok. i realised that the horse unit i made was utter crap

Sorry but I don't agree: your first unit was nice!

Of course, the second unit is nice too, so maybe you can find room in your scenario for 2 cavalry units?

Also a word or two about the units wouldnt hurt, although this might be just me (i like hearing praises)

Ok, you'll get it now

At first I had some doubts about your units: I find them nice, but I thought they wouldn't blend well with existing units I saw in other scens, as your "style" is a bit different from the commonly seen (which is NOT a bad thing, BTW!).

After seeing that you were developing other units, I had to change my mind: if you can produce the whole "batch" of units necessary for your scenario, then I believe it will end up looking really nice and homogenous!

i would like to say that i dont understand why i am the only one participating in the thread, certainly i am not going to make this scenario on my own, i havent got the time or ability to make the terrain and all of the units. like i said i need: church terrain, inn terrain, fantasy characters (knights, no wizards) and also some cool icons would be helpfull, byzantine ones from the european part of the empire (ok i am not that picky).

I'm a bit overwhelmed at the moment (work, pbems, skiing, and developing my 1st scenario) and so can't help you much! So I'll probably be unable to provide many graphics (and if I do, it would be only already developed ones, as my artistic talent is virtually non existent! ), but I'm willing to help you with ideas, events and such, IF and WHEN I have time! So don't expect too much...

And last: nice to see some "new blood" coming to this forum and taking part in the CIV II creation process!

[Varwnos]

thank you sadly i am not in the best of possible moods today, however:

[our_man]

Sounds good varwnos!

If you're looking for any ideas, I suggest checking out Mathias Kosters "Death and Resurrection of an Empire". It can be found on the Spanish Civ II site.

There seems to be a renaissance going on with pre-20th century scenarios. Are people finally tiring of various interpretations of WW2?

[yaroslav]

There can't be ever enough scenaries for civ2... and specially byzantine scens

Do you want to believe that Byzantium was teached in less than half and hour in our history lessons in the High School? (what a shame!)

[POTUS]

Oh, we do about two hours on it, almost entirely centering on its fall.

[Varwnos]

I probably managed to create some definitive byz units. apart from the yellow one (which i dont like) the rest are classic civ2 byz i think i wish i could find some models for bulgarian units of the period though (ie early 11th century, Czar Symeon) Also some more Petseneg models (anyone got an url?)

[Varwnos]

some more pics, yeah i know that the map is small, this wont change probably however what will change is that i am ultimately going to make a quasi-historical scenario with the empire, epiros and morea, venice and some scum merceneries that try to take over some parts (aragonians and others probably). not sure about the techs since i absolutely suck at making tech trees and i dont really see any volunteers. also i am not sure i am really enjoying this, but anyway blah blah blah i like making stills of my work though. Perhaps this is narcicism taking over what i create as well as the way i see myself. i yet lack the psychological knowledge to explain it (ps i realise however that others dont see things this way)