1st EU2 GC. ravagon runs England.

[hexagonian]

Yeah, Vel, its probably better to conquer the French...

I ditched my Poland game as I was being buried with constant Swedish/Ottoman, Russian, Austria/Bohemia/Hungary, and rebel wars. Basically, they would all dogpile on me. It was like that scene from the movie 'Airplane!' when everyone was lining up to slap around that female passenger.

I'm also playing England at the moment. (GC- about 1520 so far). I didn't tackle the French to that extent. I just nibbled off a couple of their provinces. I concentrated on consolidating the island (took out Scotland early and just diploannexed Ireland) Ireland was dragging me into some unwanted wars, though because I supported them, I did manage to get the Meckleburg CoT out of the deal.

Most of the time, I'm kissing up to the continent so I can concentrate on colonization. I built a lot of ships over the course of the first 80 years, and as soon as I got an explorer, I beelined to the Americas. Currently I'm TPing/colonizing everything I see...

I love this game

[Velociryx]

Agreed, bud! EU2 ROCKS!

I used to beeline for smacking Scotland and Ireland around too! But, then I discovered a juicy tidbit that made me strike off in a new (more continental) direction.

England starts the game with French culture, and if you capture....ugh...I can't remember, but it's a couple of those Frenchie provs that border stuff you start with, you keep French culture for the rest of the game! (which essentially means that when you capture French provinces, you get the full amount of the tax value for them). Eventually, as England, you get Gaelic culture too, but until you do, you're only getting half value for those scotish and irish provs, so I finally resigned myself to letting them live (tho I usually help scotland take ireland out, cos it's easier to handle one or the other, as opposed to both).

In-game, France is far and away the most resilient, godawful nation there is (or, at least in the vast majority of them), so my goals as England are to catch France while she's weak and devour her....effectively becoming both France and England to secure the continental hegemony, and then using England's bevy of explorers to lock down the colonial aspect of the game. Far and away my favorite major to play!

(and as minors go, play Lorraine! French and German culture is...amazing! True, it's tricky to get started, but once you do, you're a powerhouse!)

-=Vel=-

[lord of the mark]

Re: Rule Britannia!

Originally posted by ravagon
Not only did this give a substantial boost to our future financial position but many other nearby British provinces automatically redirected their trade to the new centre. Several hundreds of ducats per year, exclusively and almost instantaneously.
Not since we had been the first to dominate the new COT in Barbados (rapidly discovered by both Spain and Genoa unfortunately ) had we been in such a position.
With high spirits the cash abundance was sent home to the king as we again turned our gaze to the mother country and ... ... Europe??!!

Aaarrghhh. Who took Western Europe and replaced it with Frenchland?

Is this a joke? Maybe they were all just flying French flags for April fools day and got their calendars stuck on April the 1st?
[Historians note: This tradition had its beginnings several years earlier when a certain family of 3-fingered, yellow pagan weirdos burned another family of 3-fingered, yellow christian wackos at the stake as a punishment for mocking the pagans new year, which just happened to fall on April the 1st. ]

The French scribbling "Vive la France" is one thing but when much of Germany and Austria is doing it too it becomes a little ... worrying.
Lorraine - gone, Bavaria - gone, the Palatinat - gone, Savoy - down to a single province. Things just weren't looking good.
We weren't too inclined to challenge them on the battlefield either as their standing army had grown to a whopping 250k+ ... even if they were mostly putting down dissent and scrapping with (the very beginnings of an begin to dawn) ... the Austrians. At the end of a rather narrow (and threatened) land corridor that had already been cut off in one place by revolters and in another by the nation of Baden - a French vassal which doesn't appear to grant French passage. (thus was born the seed of a cunning and devious plan ).

With nothing to lose, and plenty of cash in the bank, we began lending out to those most in need. It just happened, purely circumstantially of course, that first on the list of recipients was Austria. Fancy that.
Next came ... hmm ... a country I'd never heard of before named, ... Modena? Well I never! It just happened that they too were, coincidentally, at war with France, as Austrian allies.
Gelre? We can lend them some money I'm sure. Oh? Well would you look at that?! They aren't Austrian allies but they ALSO seem to be at war with France?

Well, not wanting to appear to favour any particular side, each of these nations was offered a loan of 500-1000D, all at the quite unreasonable rate of 1%.
Hello? They all suddenly seem to be recruiting? Oh dear. That might not bode well for the French war effort. Not to mention the rising revolt risk and the increasing number of French provinces under siege.

[Hmmm. There seems to be a maximum no. of smilies you can use in a post. Oh well. +1 ]

Now wait a minute!!! Britain builds up financial strength with overseas colonies - fears France dominating continent - doesnt want to engage France head on - so finances Austria and other French enemies on continent.

Did you, like figure this strategy out on your own???
Or just pick up any history of the period

If you did stumble into it, thats a most impressive thing about this game - to make the best strategy turn out to be the actual historical strategy. makes me want to get this game

[hexagonian]

Re: Re: Rule Britannia!

Originally posted by lord of the mark ...thats a most impressive thing about this game - to make the best strategy turn out to be the actual historical strategy. makes me want to get this game

Run to the store then...The funny thing is, since I started playing, I have little desire to play any of the TBS games anymore.

I got the game for Christmas at about the time civ3 came out. I was asking my wife to get me civ3 for Christmas - about a week before Christmas, I did an about face and said 'Get me EU2 instead' She ended up getting me both.

civ3 is off my hard drive after a couple of months of disinterested play...

[Velociryx]

I know what you mean, Hex....I think that the way RTS was implemented in EU2 makes it.....better, in some strange way I can't quite put my finger on. Essentially, one could say that it's still "tbs" but you just don't have to hit the "end turn" button. (given the wide variance of speeds, and the pause feature, I mean). VERY nicely done....makes me wonder if perhaps we ought not move toward a similar scheme in CB.... (nahhh, don't want to give DK a heart attack! *G*)

-=Vel=-

[centrifuge]

So, how does it compare to CTP2 and EU1? I own, but have never played EU1. I picked it up in the bargain bin about a month ago, but have just not found the time to take a look at it.

Vel and Hex, I know that both of you have CTP2 flowing through your bloodstreams (at least a little ), so what are the pluses and minuses when comparing the two?

[Velociryx]

I'm a HUGE fan of history, and while CTP is a fantastic 4x tbs, there's not a lot of "actual" history to be gleaned from it.

Not so with EU....it teaches AS it entertains. You will come away from a game of EU having had a heck of a lot of fun, AND with a greater understanding of how the world was, and the forces at work during those days that gave us what we are today (EU2 even moreso, and I'd HIGHLY recommend getting it!)

Put yourself in the driver's seat as say....France or England, and see how the choices you make in the hot seat are similar or differ from the historic norm. It's....endlessly fascinating!

-=Vel=-

[hexagonian]

Vel, you know what happened last time I tried introducing the EU model to DK...

For me, like Vel, its the atmosphere more than anything else...If you like history, get this game!!!

EU2 really gives you the feeling of history as it occured. Granted, you are not completely imitating history, but the tone reflects what happened in the world from 1400-1800. And unlike CTP2, who you play is very important, because each nation has different settings, and they follow the trends that their actual counterparts did.

Imagine starting a game and having 100+ nations all competing against one another. Imagine seeing Austria start out as a one province territory and then blossom as it did in history. See Poland take its rightful place in the world as a huge power in the 1500s - something that I never learned in history class but picked up when reading Henryck Sienkiewicz's novels (He's the Polish Tolstoy - Fire in the Steppes, The Deluge, With Fire and Sword). Imagine picking up a game and seeing that type of stuff come to life.

Gameplay is incredibly deep, and more importantly, it is very subtle in nature. I'm just now starting to get a grasp on some of the subtleties of the game, and for everything I do manage to figure out, there are several more that crop up, but these merely whet my appetite to to figure them out. Even though I may not understand some of the stuff going on, I can still play the game and enjoy it.

For instance, its hard to merely go out and warmongor - my last Polish game was a disaster because I did so, and I paid for it. So you have to walk a fine line of diplomacy, economic investment, and social settings. EVERY decision has a consequence.

I know that all the civ-style games can make the same sort of claim, but in EU2, it feels much richer.

If the game is too easy, play a backwater 1 province nation with little economic prospect and try to survive in the big, bad world. (as Vel likes to do with the Native Americans)

It is RTS, but the engine acts more like a TBS game. In many ways, the RTS aspect is a lot like the Sierra CityBuilder games rather than something like AOE. (And the Sierra games are some of my favorites.)

[centrifuge]

Vel and Hex,

Thanks guys , Though available playing time is a premium for me these days . I think that you have me sold on picking up EU2. I was contemplating getting either it or Hearts of Iron. I am a huge fan of history, as well, and it seems as though these games may just have a worthwhile educational aspect (or that's what I'll tell my fiance anyway ).

I am, however, particularly fascinated by the WW1 and 2 eras (ie HoI). so maybe I'll have to pick up both of them .

[Velociryx]

Yeah...what really makes EU2 buzz is the fact that there are delicious checks and balances to everything you do.

Conquer too much, too quickly, and all of Europe will hate you for disrupting the balance of power, and you'll quickly find yourself at the center of a "BadBoy" war.

Focus too much on military techs and you'll fall hopelessly behind economically.

Focus too heavily on economics, and you'll get overrun by enemy troops wielding MUCH better weapons.

Trade starts off relatively unimportant, but by end-game, becomes your a#1 money maker, and controlling centers of trade is of vast long-term strategic importance.

Cavalry starts off as the "Cadillac unit" on the map, and decreases in its importance as it did historically.

Tons of details like that, all working in tandem.....it's the fine wine of gaming....

-=Vel=-

[Lawrence of Arabia]

This sounds like a fun game. Is there any website which gives an indepth look at the rules, screenshots, features, etc?

[Nikolai]

The official forums would be a good place to look. Everybody is interested in helping if you are wondering on something, so just ask! There are lots of info in the FAQ section too, and the AAR section is alive and kicking.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

thANKS For the link

[Nikolai]

No problem. I hope you will like what you see like so many of us before you!

[Colon™]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Yeah...what really makes EU2 buzz is the fact that there are delicious checks and balances to everything you do.

Conquer too much, too quickly, and all of Europe will hate you for disrupting the balance of power, and you'll quickly find yourself at the center of a "BadBoy" war.

Focus too much on military techs and you'll fall hopelessly behind economically.

Focus too heavily on economics, and you'll get overrun by enemy troops wielding MUCH better weapons.

Trade starts off relatively unimportant, but by end-game, becomes your a#1 money maker, and controlling centers of trade is of vast long-term strategic importance.

Cavalry starts off as the "Cadillac unit" on the map, and decreases in its importance as it did historically.

Tons of details like that, all working in tandem.....it's the fine wine of gaming....

-=Vel=-

Well said.