EU2: the most ahistorical game ever!

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Serb

What's the problem? Currently is 1939 in my game and besides Italy, Yugoslavia already annexed Bulgaria, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Turkey, Persia and Spain. My ships are heading to Brazil now.

Hard to see how Yugoslavia manages to support the number of troops needed to occupy Italy. How does HOI handle the need for occupation forces?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by civman2000



The OE flopping is common, as is the Mamelukes thriving. Ahistorical and arguably implausible but not something that makes your game uinque . Byzantium thriving is though.

Is this implausible? Presumably the unique nature of the Mameluke state prevents a reform that would make possible better exploitation of its resources. Is this modeled in EU2? Otherwise one could simply assume that Mamelukes are reformed into more Ottoman-like monarchy - in that case what prevents the Mamelukes from thriving? Sounds like a good one for SHWI.

[Heresson]

yes, I had the Fatimid thought too, but Fatimids died out 80 years before mamluks got the power... It would be incredible stupidity to mix them. I guess the thought that they would be too strong as sunnis is right.

[civman2000]

IIRC the Mameluks were the slave guards of the Fatimids, so they would probably be Shiite too, though I'm not sure.

In my current handsoff game I have confirmed that playing as a non-euro really does mess things up. Examples: Eire annexing Bremen, Holstein annexing Hannover and Munster, England taking Piemont, TO annexing Magdeburg. And this is just in the first few decades! I think the "far and wide conqueror" value in the PAI (whatever it corresponds to in the AI file) gets put really high in europe for some reason when you play a non-euro. Also in my game, Byzantium annexed Athens and is still alive with 3 provinces in the 1460s, saxony annexed brandenburg but lost it to rebellion, Burgundy lost Artois to France and Zeeland to elre but has tekan back Zeeland and annexed Koln, Lorraine, Savoie (the province), and Alsace (but only took Luxemburg as a vassal instead of annexing it in the event!), the Timurids lost tons to Chagatai and Qara Koyunlu way too early because of turboannexation but in the 150s began to regain several of its territories, and France controlled all of England's continental possessions (and Scotland had northumberland) but made peace for around 100 ducats!! Nothing especially rare, but clearly things are more messed up than i've ever seen playing as a euro.

BTW, Protestant Spain is scary

[Heresson]

Mamluks were slaveguards of Ayyubids, not Fatimids.
Fatimids were using berbers, and later Nubians mostly.

[civman2000]

other strange shiites...

An interesting event choice made by the ottomans in a hands-off game. Not only is the event choice outrageous, that the event would occur at all is rather odd, considering the locations of the countries is pertains to.

[Maniac]

This could be cured by adding a neighbour trigger in the event. But the Ottomans going Shi'ite really weakens them. They have low stability all the time.

[Nikolai]

civman: As the Mameluks is shiite in the game, it's not that impossible, but it's not very likely. Only 15 % I think. That is, if it's only two choices?

[Serb]

Originally posted by lord of the mark



Hard to see how Yugoslavia manages to support the number of troops needed to occupy Italy.

With two absolutely fantastic ministers in government (school of mass combat+man of the people) Yugoslavia has 11.5+ manpower growth. It's more than enough to conquer the world. In the middle of 1944 Yugoslavia annexed Germany and Japan+China.

How does HOI handle the need for occupation forces?

There is no need for occupation forces in HOI, because there are no rebels.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Heresson


Very nice

Yes, it is. In 1942 or so, Germany annexed Poland. During my 1943-1944 campaign Germany was annexed by Yougoslavia. Poland is part Yugoslavian Empire now. Very nice.

[lord of the mark]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Serb

There is no need for occupation forces in HOI, because there are no rebels. [/QUOTE

I would say thats pretty ahistorical.

[Nikolai]

AFAIK, it's supposed to be rebels or something similar to represent this, but it don't work by now. It has been so much bugfixing to be done for this game so far I'm afraid, but it will come. I do remeber that it was hope in the HoI forum for this to work some months ago, but it isn't implemented yet!

[Mordoch]

Originally posted by Nikolai
AFAIK, it's supposed to be rebels or something similar to represent this, but it don't work by now. It has been so much bugfixing to be done for this game so far I'm afraid, but it will come. I do remeber that it was hope in the HoI forum for this to work some months ago, but it isn't implemented yet!

Its not a bug, it was an intentional game design decision to represent the relative ease of conquering territory during WW2. I would say it is flawed and should be revised, but its unlikely to occur at this point.

[Nikolai]

It's been mentioned as a thing people want to be implemented at least. It has been mentioned before nearly every patch I can remember.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Mordoch

Its not a bug, it was an intentional game design decision to represent the relative ease of conquering territory during WW2. I would say it is flawed and should be revised, but its unlikely to occur at this point.

well im quite sure the Germans needed a certain number of units for occupation duty - most especially (but not only) in Yugoslavia - I wonder if anyone has info on that - it would be a perfect question for a history forum, if we had one.