Does anyone play Chess?

[rwprice]

Originally posted by Dissident
Well I kind of illustrated why I like TBS games better. The linear movement makes it much, much easier to plan moves ahead. Something I cannot do so well with chess.

Plus controlling an army, and an empire is just cool.

In a nutshell, I think you've hit the nail on the head. I find that, even though Chess may technically be less complex, the depth of thinking required to play is much greater than in other TBS games. It takes more mental effort to play chess, IMHO. loinburger also pointed out one key difference: that a single move has much less effect in TBS games than it does in chess. One wrong move in chess and you've changed the entire game. In most TBS games, however, you can often recover from a bad decision fairly easily.

The other point you made, the coolness factor, is one that I find undeniable. It's the ony way I can explain why I would come back to games that depend on a poor AI. At least the AI for a chess program won't cheat and make illegal moves, while many TBS games can be caught "cheating". The one thing that chess will never have is the atmosphere of these other games: while playing chess you aren't likely to lose yourself and think you're the king. In a TBS game, however, you get caught up the "world" of the game. That's the draw of those games, don't you think?

[Traianvs]

I love playing chess but I don't often play it against other people because it is hard to find someone who knows how to play, and when I do know a friend (or my dad ) or someone that does know how to play, I usually beat 'em quite easily, not because I'm good, but simply because they make stupid mistakes

Strategy games have a nicer athmosphere, while chess is always the same basic game, I like something else every once in a while...(like the additional scenarios in civ2 and Stronghold!)

I also don't think much thought is needed when playing these games, you only need either large numbers or simply a strategy (hence the name Strategy games) with which you can build up your army as quick as possible...

I know how to play chess fairly well, but in civ2 i was never too great (deity was just that bit too difficult, too much unrest => democracy impossible) simply because i didn't follow a strategy, like in the order of which advancements to pursue for example.

Strategy also has other aspects (blood,...) or diplomacy (bribing) that make me want to play it again.

I do think that the computer cheats sometimes though.. when I have made myself a nice setup he just crumbles it with a few moves that crush me (once i'm starting to lose a game against the computer, i can never recover...humans make mistakes, a computer doesn't, that's why i just lurrrve human opponents )

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Thrawn05


Just like there will always be people hateing whatever either a democrate or republication is saying, there will always people who will blindly back up MP.

I'm not NEVER overstating my case in MP. I have been to IGN and Chess.net, and all that everyone wants to do is play 15 second blitze games.

No, I speak from much experience with over 10 MP games.......it seems you are the one that speaks from the experience of 5 minutes of trying and then getting frustrated.

More and more people are getting into MP these days.......if it's not your scene fine, not everybody enjoys games the same way.....but your reasons are critical; as long as you state things that are manifestly untrue it is my duty to point that out.

[Heresson]

My aunt was chess master of my city several times.
I'm not.
But I have Fritz.

[War4ever]

i love chess..have had a chess board for years...but anyone with any real skill will murder me too

[Thrawn05]

Originally posted by DrSpike


No, I speak from much experience with over 10 MP games.......it seems you are the one that speaks from the experience of 5 minutes of trying and then getting frustrated.

More and more people are getting into MP these days.......if it's not your scene fine, not everybody enjoys games the same way.....but your reasons are critical; as long as you state things that are manifestly untrue it is my duty to point that out.

First off, experience means nothing to me, no offense.

I don't get frustrated, I get bored. Not because I keep losing or keep winning but it just becomes tiring very quickly.

Are you saying that I spend my time here at Apolyton lying to my teeth? I think I have better things to do then that.

BTW, I have played 11 games with MP.

No hard feelings.

[Kropotkin]

Thank MTV for the attention span of a fruit fly!

I like the game and got a board on the shelfs but most people don't seem to have the mental strenght to handle it these day in age. I played a lot in the school library when I was a young teenager. Even so I'm not good. I kick my girlfriends ass from time to time as she's no opposition. That's a sweet revenge for the few times she fools me into playing Starcraft.

[DrSpike]

Thrawn: No offense here either.

However I have just fired up icc, and looked at the games being offered. There are many blitz games, but many of the good players are offering 60 or 90 minute games. It just isn't true that you can't get longer games online......you just need to look.

I also fired up Quake........there are lots of people on fast servers, none of which are cheats.

Sure you may keep losing when you start playing a MP game. If that is your gripe you just need to stick with it until you can compete.

[Thrawn05]

Originally posted by DrSpike
Thrawn: No offense here either.

However I have just fired up icc, and looked at the games being offered. There are many blitz games, but many of the good players are offering 60 or 90 minute games. It just isn't true that you can't get longer games online......you just need to look.

I also fired up Quake........there are lots of people on fast servers, none of which are cheats.

Sure you may keep losing when you start playing a MP game. If that is your gripe you just need to stick with it until you can compete.

perhaps at icc, but Chess.net is nothing but blitz games.

As for Q3, I looked at it and the best game ping wise is 300, and it only had Bitterman, TankJr and Grunt in Nightmare mod and no one else. Now, I don't object playing against bots, but I rather do it while not online since my gun will fire quicker.

I did find one that some people that 380 ping, but it was unplayable since it took too long to fire my plasma gun and so let's just say Crash could do better.

I'll make a deal with you, I will not mention how much I don't like MP in another thread, other then saying somthing to the effect of "I said my peace in other threads.".

Sounds fair.

[DrSpike]

Lol, if you don't like MP that's your prerogative. I think your insane, but that's my prerogative.

However your reasons for not liking MP aren't true, so I am just making sure you are not missing out for no good reason. Download Blitzin (I think this is still the client for ICC) and check it out......I guarantee you you can play longer games of chess than blitz there.

As for Quake (slight overlap of threads here) don't use the ingame browser.......gamespy or allseeingeye are the most popular, and if you have broadband (looking at those pings you probably don't) find some servers in your country and I guarantee you you will find servers you can play on with <50 ping. Avoid personal servers....check out the big servers run by ISPs and the like, they are your best bet. If you don't have broadband you can't play FPS, but that isn't the games fault it is yours for not having a better connection.

As for RTS most popular online RTS are reasonably balanced, at least for everyone up to pro level. Do persevere, it is tricky I know, but when it works you will wonder why you ever played AI at all.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by DrSpike
I have some redhotpawn games going

Givent the obvious play on words, are the pieces graphically represented by famous pornstars?

[DrSpike]

I would not be surprised if someone has designed a custom set to that effect.

[Thrawn05]

Originally posted by DrSpike
Lol, if you don't like MP that's your prerogative. I think your insane, but that's my prerogative.

However your reasons for not liking MP aren't true, so I am just making sure you are not missing out for no good reason. Download Blitzin (I think this is still the client for ICC) and check it out......I guarantee you you can play longer games of chess than blitz there.

As for Quake (slight overlap of threads here) don't use the ingame browser.......gamespy or allseeingeye are the most popular, and if you have broadband (looking at those pings you probably don't) find some servers in your country and I guarantee you you will find servers you can play on with <50 ping. Avoid personal servers....check out the big servers run by ISPs and the like, they are your best bet. If you don't have broadband you can't play FPS, but that isn't the games fault it is yours for not having a better connection.

As for RTS most popular online RTS are reasonably balanced, at least for everyone up to pro level. Do persevere, it is tricky I know, but when it works you will wonder why you ever played AI at all.

I'll take your suggestions into consideration, but after 5 years of trying to prove myself wrong I'm stuck where i am.

It's not my fault that I'm stuck with dial-up, but blame that on the cable company here. I also tried playing Half Life on my friend's College cable connection, and yes there was no lag, but again, boreing.

PS: I'm boycotting Gamespy because of the Fileplanet monopoly, but that's another issue for another thread.

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[loinburger]

Online gaming is one of the best things to do when you've been drinking heavily, particularly Half-Life: TFC.

[Thrawn05]

Originally posted by loinburger
Online gaming is one of the best things to do when you've been drinking heavily, particularly Half-Life: TFC.

So is playing as the Marine in AL|ENS v. Predator GE, particulary in the Tyrargo Director's Cut level.

Good thing Wal-Mart had a deal that you buy you game, can get a free pair of underware in the store.