Mafia Rules Discussion

[Jamski]

I can't say on this forum. Its related to "inferior canine mamillia"

-Jam

[gjramsey]

I am one of the "newbies" in the current round and fully expect to be wacked soon.

I like the open voting but the docpile (not sure of where this term came from since I am on the new side to this) seems to happen often. After lurking the previous two go rounds, this one does seem to be more interesting with the clues being provided, and, so-far, less everyone jumping on a wagon and riding the current villager to the death.

ADG's idea is not bad either, would prevent to piling on, but the votes would be open at the end of the round. Not sure how to verify there was no vote changing happening before the results were displayed.


edited for spelling (doh!)

[Jamski]

History of the Docpile

Dogpiling is a term from the days of fox-hunting and bear-bating. The dogs would pile onto a larger and more dangerous foe and bring him down by weight of numbers. The term passed into modern English to describe the process whereby people would criticise or attack the person already under attack.
Or, dogpiling refers to the behaivor of a pack of dogs who will all turn on the weakest pack-member in order to ensure thier own status within the pack.

The change to docpiling was because of a typo involving Doc.

-Jam

[rah]

And I thought it was intentional.

[Tuberski]

The rule I'd like to see changed is the first round kill by the mafia.

I think the first kill should always be the GM, so that everyone gets to vote at least once.

ACK!

[SnowFire]

Random comment: I don't play Mafia here on 'poly, but not having a public vote defeats half the point of the game- not to mention leaving fewer clues as to who the Mafia is (based on their voting patterns).

That said, I don't see why you should only be able to vote for one person. The way it always seemed to be ran in person was that every person could vote on kill / don't kill for every other person- as in, you could be in favor of killing everybody, if you wanted. It's just that at least 50% of the people would need to agree to kill that person before it'd actually be done. Generally, you'd hold votes on suspected people in the preceding discussion; if there were 2-3 suspects, they'd all be voted on in a row, and if multiple ones met the 50% threshold, then whoever had the most votes would get executed.

[Jamski]

Good idea. Then we would start with 27 players for a two week game instead of 28. I like it

-Jam

[alva]

I don't really get it

Wouldn't everyone vote for everyone each round?

[Vlad Antlerkov]

I suppose an upper limit (50% rounded up) could be set on that.

Alternatively... everyone gets some number of "points", equal to half the number of living rounded up; they distribute these points based on who they think the Mafia is. They can put all their points on GhengisFarb, or give one point to a bunch of people, or whatever. Whoever ends up with the most points gets killed by the village.

[rah]

We do want to minimize the GM's effort. The stories take enough time

[Guynemer]

I think a simplified version of ADG's idea would be best.

People can vote public OR via PM.

ONLY one PM vote can be sent.

However, a public vote may be controverted by a PM vote. (I post on the forum, "I vote rah," but send a PM, "just kiddin', it's Skanky.")

The GM posts only the final tally, and does not show who voted for who.

[Hercules]

I think as has been said above, Public voting is key to the fun.

I quite like the idea of dividing out say 10 votes over three suspects. This would encourage people to make their choices based on the clues and also discourage random docpiling: it also spreads your own risk.

I like Jamski's 2 clues approach and that has, as has been noted, helped spread the voting.

[Rasputin]

never figured that allainces were behind my docpiling.... two games in a row


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i think whilst pming would stop somwe collusion, the allainces would continue and therefore docpiling could still occur...

[Spaced Cowboy]

Since we have multiple mafias, we could have the same number of multiple votes, hence the game would go faster, if there were 2-3 mafia hits per night and 2-3 persons voted off each day.

[Urban Ranger]

You almost always end up with the mafia winning that way, what with less clues and more docpiling.