Neverwinter nights-revisited

[Jamski]

Did you ever play Icewind Dale 2? Its the same 3rd Edition rules and it was possible though items and cheezy multiclassing to get an AC of 78, meaning nothing in the whole game could hit you except on a natural 20

I like high AC very much.

-Jam

[DarkCloud]

how woudl you get an AC of 78? I'm nearly in the DragonSun chapter and I only have ACs of 22 at the most with my level 10-11 characters...

[Dis]

I've gotten AC in the higher 50's I think in NWN HOTU. I could have gotten it higher, but I was saving my gold for true names.

I don't remember getting it that high in IWD2.

[Jamski]

how woudl you get an AC of 78?

Read this and weep.

http://forums.interplay.com/viewtopic.php?t=40021

Scroll down to "Ultimate AC" under the heading "Ultimate Powergaming"

-Jam

[Dis]

powergaming

Well I do create powerful characters mind you. I don't like struggling in a game. You won't find me creating half-orc wizards. And I do the research to ensure I meet qualifications for the prestige class I want. But other than that I don't plan my character. I just scroll through the available feats and pick one I like.

[DrSpike]

I expect that's how most people play, but I find it useful to have a quick check beforehand as to the most worthwhile skills and feats.

[Dis]

so many feats look kind of cool, but unless you are a fighter, there is just no room for them. I never choose any feats to raise specific saving throws (will, fortitude, reflex). There are just too many important feats.

I often play dwarves, so I have less feats to start with than human. And I'm rarely a fighter.

and some feats are utterly worthless.

There may be some useful, I just don't know about their usefulness. Maybe called shot. I've never had much luck with it. I've had more success with knockdown, but I'd rather take Cleave over knockdown.

[DrSpike]

I'm using (now improved) knockdown in my current NWN SoU game. It's very useful for some of the trickier opponents. I have cleave also, but only the basic feat.

[Jamski]

Cleave is a keeper. It practically doubles your effectiveness at low levels.

-Jam

[Rasputin]

never tried the other traits , i sort of stick to the recommended ones as a fighter, i guess im miising a lot of oppurtunitys.

[Qilue]

Also, Cleave is a step towards Great Cleave.

As to the feats with save bonuses, remember that saves come in two varieties. High (+12 at lvl 20) and low (+6 at lvl 20). Most classes will only get 1 save as high with a few getting two high and only monks getting all three high.

At low level, they all seem to be the same, but at 15+, the low save becomes very noticable. Especially on fighters and clerics who have low reflex saves along with low dex from heavy armour. The extra +2 from Lightning Reflexes might save your character from unnessary damage.

[Dis]

I usually don't get great cleave though. It's kind of hard to kill a creature with one blow at that point.

[Qilue]

I think you have misread how Cleave works. You don't have to kill in one hit,.

Say you are fighting 4 Curst Warriors.

Now the one you are currently hitting is down to 2 hit points. When your next hit kills him, Cleave activates and you get a 'bonus' attack on one of the other three and he would then become focus. Upon his death, cleave would activate again and one of the last two would get the 'bonus' attack.

With Great Cleave, you would get a 'bonus' attack on each of the other three after the first one's death. These 'bonus' attacks are in addition to your character's normal number of attacks per round. However, Cleave/Great Cleave will only activate once per round.

[Skanky Burns]

Quite nifty if you get ganged by a group of weak weak enemies. Hit one and suddenly the group around you are dead - assuming you hit them.

[Rasputin]

wow must get into this cleave trait ...