Greatest action game ever

[DrSpike]

DE and SS2 are too long? That's a strange point to make. When games are that good you want them to have some meat.

[Spaced Cowboy]

I'm assuming they were too long, cuz I gave up and was not able to finish them. I also do not like the how much longer is this going to take feeling. Never had the feeling that I was getting close to the end in either of those games.

Also SS2 seemed to have a lot of backtracking. In DE you felt like you should explore everything, but in the end it was a waste of lockpicks and sometimes ammo.

[DrSpike]

Then you should love MP2.

[pg]

doom and doom 2 win easily imo(for fps at least). nothing is so intense, fast, and choatic while remaining very skillful(see doom speed running for proof). doom 2 and it's megawads are unmatched. one thing central to doom's great gameplay is the sheer mass of enemies coupled with the speed, and power of the player character which leads to more permutations and better gameplay. games with few enemies who are strong and a crippled player character(compared to the enemies anyways) end up with gameplay based on gimmicks and the player taking advantage of ai stupidity.

ss is sort of doom lite because it has worse game and level design not to mention the fact enemies load as you walk around, unlike doom where they are always around(which is quite important for gameplay). in de you are very dependent on what you are given to work with and against. in other words de is more of a puzzle game - the action part is generally weaker compared to other fps games.


doom

[Qilue]

After reading this thread, most seem to interpret "action game" as being "first person shooter". But there are other kinds of action game. In particular Diablo and it's sequel Diablo 2.

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by pg
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in de you are very dependent on what you are given to work with and against. in other words de is more of a puzzle game - the action part is generally weaker compared to other fps games.

Umm DE and SS2 are not fps games!

HERETIC!

[pg]

de is a hybrid, and by ss i meant serious sam(not system shock), so that's definately a fps!

[Guynemer]

NOLF2 is a little bit shorter than NOLF, but only a little bit--and just about everything else is noticably better.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by obstructor
HERETIC!

No offense, but Heretic sucked compared to other games of that time. Doom2 was clearly superior IMHO, even if the graphics weren't as good.

[Urban Ranger]

Well, AFAIK, Heretic used the Doom engine, which made it less refined than Doom 2.

[Spiffor]

Oh, I thought it used Doom2's engine (not that they were radically different )

Heretic had pretty colors, and a doom-like in a heroic fantasy setting was original. But it lacked the joy of killing thousands of mindless monsters with overpowered weapons

[Spaced Cowboy]

Okay, back on-topic, just finished part 2 of MP2 last night and it was sweet! I liked the concept of playing Mona for the last part of the chapter.

Gave up and went to bed went I got to part 3, and you have to find a weapon in the hospital with that guy chasing you. I'm sure that I'll figure it out this weekend.

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Spiffor

No offense, but Heretic sucked compared to other games of that time. Doom2 was clearly superior IMHO, even if the graphics weren't as good.

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What are you talking about?
I was insulting PG for daring to call DE a fps.

There is a game called Heretic?

[Adagio]

I think I once heard a game called that... but as far as I know, I never saw it...

[Spaced Cowboy]

Originally posted by obstructor


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What are you talking about?
I was insulting PG for daring to call DE a fps.

There is a game called Heretic?

Yes, almost like Hexen, both of which were hard.