games with "king" in the name.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Ming
And that's the problem with such sites. I have never heard of a site that truely only has "official" abandonware on it.

I think Underdog's policy is fine: if they receive a letter from a copyright holder asking them to stop a certain game from being offered, they will oblige.

So that pretty much means that the games they have for downloading is more or less legit.

Of course, some others sites are more, uh, rogue-ish.

[DrSpike]

Yes, I agree, one can infer that they don't care if the game is there, since it seems unlikely they would be unaware of such a key abandonware site.

[rah]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger

I think Underdog's policy is fine: if they receive a letter from a copyright holder asking them to stop a certain game from being offered, they will oblige.

Sounds pretty above board to me.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by rah


Sounds pretty above board to me.

so if im the marketing guy at a game publisher, i have to search the net daily to see what sites have any of my titles available for dl ANYWHERE on the net, and i have to contact THEM. And i have to search for all titles i own. Including ones that may belong to a company ive bought, and im not even sure all the discontinued titles they had.

Why shouldnt the "abandonware" site have to contact ME, and ask for MY permission? Too hard? Cause i might simply not respond?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by DrSpike
Yes, I agree, one can infer that they don't care if the game is there, since it seems unlikely they would be unaware of such a key abandonware site.

and if they in any way accepted that it was the publishers obligation to notify, then some other abandonware site could cite the precedent - then someone would have to define a "key" abandonware site.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
So that pretty much means that the games they have for downloading is more or less legit.

While I agree with you in theory... Legally, it's not legit.

And since that is the case, we don't allow links to that site.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
so if im the marketing guy at a game publisher, i have to search the net daily to see what sites have any of my titles available for dl ANYWHERE on the net, and i have to contact THEM.

Yes and no. Big sites such as the Underdogs are well known to game publishers, and they probably would try to attempt to proactively acquire permission as well.

And you cannot stop all the firesharing out there anyway, regardless whether you search the Net daily. Your best bet is to deal with the big sites squarely.

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Why shouldnt the "abandonware" site have to contact ME, and ask for MY permission? Too hard? Cause i might simply not respond?

It is often a tricky business to track down who currently holds rights to what.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Yes and no. Big sites such as the Underdogs are well known to game publishers, and they probably would try to attempt to proactively acquire permission as well.

And you cannot stop all the firesharing out there anyway, regardless whether you search the Net daily. Your best bet is to deal with the big sites squarely.

Ah Jeez, I hate agreeing with UR. Stop it LOTM!

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by DrSpike


Ah Jeez, I hate agreeing with UR. Stop it LOTM!

Im not sure you're wrong, just think its not all that clearcut. And that the Poly policy ( ) is therefore justified.

[Nikolai]

This discussion seems to come from time to time here in other games. I have my thoughts of this issue, but as long as Poly has a policy that we can't change(you know, anti-democracy), why bother bringing it up?

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by lord of the mark




Im not sure you're wrong, just think its not all that clearcut. And that the Poly policy ( ) is therefore justified.

You are right it is not clear cut, and the policy is perfectly reasonable. I haven't said I disagreed with it.

However, I do think the site in question provides a good service without infringing anyone's rights.

[rah]

Originally posted by Nikolai
(you know, anti-democracy),

Yep.

[FrostyBoy]

Who cares? Just get the game from other abandonware sites

There are much bigger ones than HotUD! But I better not give those links out

[rah]

Originally posted by Sn00py
But I better not give those links out

YUP.

[muxec]

And you cannot stop all the firesharing

Firesharing? Did you read your own message?

Ming, why didnt you restrict him?