Did the UN fail?

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Oerdin
You're forgetting the Polish Commandos who siezed several Iraqi oil platforms and I beleive botht the Danes and the Japanese contributed medical personnel; I also remember hearing the Spanish had forces in Kuwait 7 Qatar plus numerous coalition countries contributed navel vessals.

Sure that still means the bulk was carried by the U.S., U.K., and Australia but these was a remarkably wide spread allaince (not the most but still above average) and a very successful one. I'm thinking that some of you die hard America bashers are just to wrapped up in your bais to be able to give kudos for a job well done.

That 8 countries you list. 8 is not equal to 50+

[Master Zen]

BTW, I've said this twice and NO ONE HAS BOTHERED TO ANSWER:

If Iraq had WMD in 1990, why didn't it use them then, either against Kuwait or Saudi Arabia?

Since they didn't use them, what makes you people think Iraq would have used them in the near future, threatening the very countries it threatened in 90/91?

I still find that argument that Saddam was planning to use his WMD to attack others totally unreasonable since he didn't do it when he had a much better chance of winning.

[gsmoove23]

Did Bush ever publish a list of the 50+ countries that contributed and what they contributed? I thought it was pretty funny that the admin considers Turkey part of the coalition. In the beginning of the war US news agencies were proclaiming that Turkey had allowed us to use their air space as if it was a great favour when what they didn't give us is far more telling.

I would love to see a list of those 50+ countries and what they gave, I would love more to see a list of what they didn't give. Supposedly Bush requested military support from Japan, nope sorry but how about a few medical personnel and a check.

[GePap]

50+? did they put out a new list after the one with 40 something names?

I loved how when the Prime Minster of the Solomon Island was asked why he supported the war in Iraq, since his state was on the list, he said he had no idea why the Solomon islands were on the list. Sounds just like the leader of slovenia.

Oh, and Spain had no troops in the area. aznar specifically stated he would not send Spanish troops to the war. Bulgaria and the Czechs sent some token forces, ussually specialist units.

[centrifuge]

Originally posted by GePap


At first, i was going to reply point by point, but you know what..lets agree to disagree. I keep saying one thing, and you keep saying another. Whatever.

NO!!!!!!! Don't stop now, this has been to entertaining of a thread to end in a draw I want to see a knockout

[GePap]

Originally posted by centrifuge


NO!!!!!!! Don't stop now, this has been to entertaining of a thread to end in a draw I want to see a knockout

Only moderators get to knock out anyone, as far as I can tell.

[Master Zen]

I've seen more than one get knocked out, and not precisely thanx to the moderators

[Velociryx]

Actually, *all* of the discussions that GePap and I have centering around this issue end the same way....a draw. We just approach things from a different perspective, is all. At the end of the day, I suspect we wind up on the same side of the proverbial fence more often than not....just for different reasons.

-=Vel=-

[Ned]

Originally posted by Master Zen




what in the world makes you think that France Germany and Russia would have gone to war for any reason!!!!! This is unbelieveable!! I have told you why he persisted, it could have never conceivably crossed his mind that these three countries would have gone to war!! You've been playing Civ too much... countries, hell, ALLIES, don't just go to war for things like that. Do you think Saddam even for once thouth that two NATO allies would go to war over the US over the issue of his WMD or whatever? N-O.

MZ, I think you and I are on the same page on this issue. The point I was making was that Saddam may have believed that France, et al., would do something of the kind to protect him. If he did, he was delusional.

[Master Zen]

He may be crazy but he's not stupid. France would have never even gotten close to fighting for him.

[Master Zen]

Well, if you all want to call it a draw, then I guess this is it, damn, we were only on page 11

We wouldn't have gotten anywhere anyway

buuuuuuuuuut,

still no one answered my question after posting it 3 times so I think it would be rather premature to call it a "draw"...

[Frogman]

Surely Saddam wasn't counting on the french. More likely he believed he could hold off in an urban war long enough to inflame the arab nations to join his cause. Getting help from the french would have been an embarassment to him. Leading an islamic "jihad" agaisnt the evil Americans would have been glory for him.

Iraq didn't use wmd against the kuwaities in 91 because he didn't need to. The iraqis have been burying stuff and hiding stuff all over the place. Once we get some intel on it, it will turn up. I would be surprised if some of it wasn't wmd related.

[Master Zen]

Are you reffering to now or 90/91? (re: use of WMD)

[LoneWolf]

Hey, maybe there are no WMDs after all. Oh well.
Or should we give the whole thing back to Saddam, and say we're sorry.
BTW, where should we start next? Syria? Iran? France? You name it.

[Master Zen]

Why not Florida? Install true democracy there