Free information thread: Tanya Grotter vs Harry Potter

[muxec]

It's third thread of my free information party. The first thread was closed, the second thread was concerned about cracks and applying freedom of speech on cracks. This one is about literature and difference between plagiarism and parody.

D. Emec (russian writer) wrote his book that called "Tanya Grotter". The storyline of it is HarryPotter-like. The child whose parnts were killed by very bad mage and but the child survived, neutralized the bad mage and was educated by 'Bad" relatives. After it the child moved to the magic school. You know this storyline... But J. Rowling, author of Harry Potter, thought that using previously used storyline is plagiarism, and it's prohibited by international copyright law. The trial lasts until now. I started to think, that J. Rowling is stupid. She envy D. Emec who wrote parody better, than original. The author of Potter claims, that using known storyline is plagiarism and it must be forbidden by international copyright law. But all the parodies are usein "previously used story line". Does it mean, that the whole genre must be forbidden.

P.S: Ming, i ask you for joining party. I think, that you support the right idea.

[The Mad Monk]

Please state the question clearly.

[muxec]

The question is very clear: Because parody is genre, that based on something created before some people compare it to plagiary. Do you think that they are right.

[Az]

It doesn't seem like parody. what's the parody in it? ( sarcasm, etc. )

[muxec]

Originally posted by Azazel
It doesn't seem like parody. what's the parody in it? ( sarcasm, etc. )

Did you read Tanya Grotter? If you can, read it in Russian. I think, tjat the book will be translated to Hebrew soon.

The parody is, that it is not Horwart, Tanya Grotter is studying in school for juvenile crimes. I think, that it's enought to be considered parody. In third part of Tanya Grotter "Hurry Poopper" is mentioned. He is a student from foreighn school. And it's written

Ýòîò Ãóððè Ïóïïåð ïàðäèÿ íà íàøó Òàíþ

(This Hurry Pupper is parody on our Tanya.)
In this way the author says, that there is no such a thing as plagiary in literature. The important is how to write and not what to write.

[Static Universe]

I voted no, but would like to point out that I think this Tanya Grotter business is more plagiarism than anything. This is clearly an attempt to cash in on the success of the Harry Potter franchise, and poor wit to boot.

[solar]

I also voted no that parodies are not plagerism, but I don't think that Tanya Grotter is a parody.

[Jaguar]

It looks like a really bad parody. Don't kill it. Just let it drop to spot 77 million on the amazon bestseller list.

[Solver]

I read it. Well, big parts. It's poorly written, a humble excuse for a parody, that basically takes things from HP, the good things, but anything added beyond is absolute crap.

[Clear Skies]

How about Bored of the Rings, the LOTR parody?

[Static Universe]

Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior
It looks like a really bad parody. Don't kill it. Just let it drop to spot 77 million on the amazon bestseller list.

I think Amazon and the internet makes the success of such books possible, and I think this is the issue Rowling is trying to address here.

I mean, how is it possible that a bad parody, where "Hurry Poopper" is the height of wit, and written in Russian is selling a million+ copies and is being translated into other languages?

It's because there a literally millions of Harry Potter fans out there who will want even a bad parody to complete their collections Harry Potter books and memorabilia.

[muxec]

Originally posted by Solver
I read it. Well, big parts. It's poorly written, a humble excuse for a parody, that basically takes things from HP, the good things, but anything added beyond is absolute crap.

It adds a lot of god things, for example "alive moustache". Also the magic game - "dragonball" is better than original one. The storyline is brighter.
Solver, did you read the book completely or only first 20 pages?

[muxec]

Originally posted by Static Universe


I think Amazon and the internet makes the success of such books possible, and I think this is the issue Rowling is trying to address here.

I mean, how is it possible that a bad parody, where "Hurry Poopper" is the height of wit, and written in Russian is selling a million+ copies and is being translated into other languages?

It's because there a literally millions of Harry Potter fans out there who will want even a bad parody to complete their collections Harry Potter books and memorabilia.

TG is enoght independent book. HP is fantasy for children, and TG is more adult fantasy.


And HP fans will also buy HP printers (Hewlett packard)

[Solver]

Solver, did you read the book completely or only first 20 pages?

I read the first half entirely... then got bored and read it a faster pace. Some ideas might be nice, but they're written (implemented) very poorly.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by muxec
adult fantasy.

What sort of "adult fantasy?"