File Exchangers, Welcome To The "Food Chain"

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Spectator


WTF!?! Do you know anything else to do with Kazaa?!

Share "public domain" files and information?

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by boann
i guess maybe a stupid question.
but how do they know the decline isn't due to
people just protesting their slimy attitude and not
buying ...or maybe its just due to the overall
buying decline in all areas. I don't know how they
can pin it on just downloads taking their porche payments away. poor rich bastards...
my heart just bleeds pink panther piss for them

Summer paid 40 bucks for a concert t-shirt of what remains of the Doors.
I paid 75 bucks to sit in nose-bleed seats to see Clapton, Moody Blues, etc.
Yes. Poor babies may starve.

One thing. It's purple panther piss.
Not sissy pink.

[Spec]

Originally posted by Osweld


Share "public domain" files and information?

How is that useful when we have all the web-sites to choose from?

[monkspider]

there are plenty of (perhaps lesser known) musicians who love for you to swap their files.

[ixnay]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Azazel - sure I could send you an FTPserver / Webserver program.

But you should be ware:

1) It's very easy to attack those servers and either to just kill your comp, or make it part of something you don't want to.

2) almost no one uses FTP and WWW for MP3 trading anymore.

3) It's much much much more likely you will be targetted for law suit if you create such a site, than if you merely stay connected to Kazaa 24-7.

I get my MP3s almost exclusively from private FTPs now. Several something awful forum users run their own private FTPs, and the selection on them is quite good.

[Az]

If they're publicly available: PM.

[Dinner]

The smart ones will just use a proxy server and keep on downloading the music they want. Personally, I hope some sort of arrangment is made so that artists and producers make money but I'm not going to be upset if Time-Warner is forced to settle for a profit margin which is less then 10-15 times costs.

[Az]

The smart ones will just use a proxy server and keep on downloading the music they want.

I thought about it immideately after the non-sensical FTP idea.

I've heard that almost half of the retail price of a CD goes to.... the retailer. so, ladies, and gents, that's where the problem lies.
The artists get ~6 percent IIRC.

[Starchild]

Media is rapidly becoming worthless. The current trend for music, television shows, and eventually movies, is for them to be available freely and easily on the Net. It's a scary transfer of control from large organisations to decentralised, democratic networks. Where does the profit lie in the new paradigm?

It lies in the extras. KaZaA can give you the songs but they can't supply the posters, limited edition this-that-and-bric-a-brac, the t-shirts and special-edition-OMG-look-at-this-behind-the-scenes concerts.

If the music industry really wanted to embrace the new way of sharing music, they'd put their entire collections on the Net. Every last bit of copyrighted audio and video on a secure, high bandwidth, never down website. Let people take all they want but charge for the extras. A searchable catalog of music, user-recommended playlists, etc.

It's even easier for TV. Given the popularity of paying for subscription channels already, there's no reason to believe that people won't pay a monthly fee to have access to an online database of HBO's shows, letting them download the latest hit whenever they want. Terrestrial TV can put regional adverts in the download. It's just like TV now but more direct and, as a consequence, more personalisable.

The current concept of copyright is sacred nor unchallanged (see the Creative Commons idea for example. Imagine if music was published under that.). The music industry is fighting a losing battle even with the help of some powerful governments. If they don't shape up soon, someone is gonna snatch the rug out from under them.

[optimus2861]

Originally posted by spiritof1202
There are a few P2P schemes where material is distributed and encrypted among multiple users and that you can't tell exactly which packets are relayed and which are directly originated.

To defeat these kind of schemes, they'd have to negate the 'common carrier' clause which the telecomms and datacomms industry will defend to the death.

Some states seem to be going about this problem a different way: by making the concealment of the origin of communications over a communications provider an offense under the law. Here's an excerpt from this site:

Here is one example of the far-reaching harmful effects of these bills. Both bills would flatly ban the possession, sale, or use of technologies that "conceal from a communication service provider ... the existence or place of origin or destination of any communication". Your ISP is a communication service provider, so anything that concealed the origin or destination of any communication from your ISP would be illegal -- with no exceptions.

Encrypted email, Windows' own Internet Connection Sharing, even many firewalls (those that use Network Address Translation technology) therefore would be illegal under the law. In fact, according to that same site, some states have already passed such legislation, though I haven't heard of any actions coming out from it: Delaware, Illinois, Maryland, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wyoming. 9 more states are considering similar legislation.

Wonder if RIAA is behind any of these? They obviously can't go after end users if the end user can just hide himself behind a firewall. RIAA's solution: make the firewall illegal, ignoring all the perfectly valid applications of one .

Die, RIAA, die .

[Pekka]

Nah, FTP is the best thing. You just need to know good servers, with good collections and fast connection. It's pretty safe, fast and convinient. Otherwise you're stuck with p2p-crap .

[Sirotnikov]

I was talking about the case if ISPs will ban p2ps.

fat chance.

though they may limit the bandwidth allowed.

[Az]

fat chance

That's what I was thinking, also.

[spiritof1202]

Originally posted by optimus2861

Some states seem to be going about this problem a different way: by making the concealment of the origin of communications over a communications provider an offense under the law. Here's an excerpt from this site:

Encrypted email, Windows' own Internet Connection Sharing, even many firewalls (those that use Network Address Translation technology) therefore would be illegal under the law. In fact, according to that same site, some states have already passed such legislation, though I haven't heard of any actions coming out from it: Delaware, Illinois, Maryland, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wyoming. 9 more states are considering similar legislation.

Wonder if RIAA is behind any of these? They obviously can't go after end users if the end user can just hide himself behind a firewall. RIAA's solution: make the firewall illegal, ignoring all the perfectly valid applications of one .

Die, RIAA, die .

Is it the provider or the receiver that is in issue? I wonder how this effects a system which encrypts the origin and relays internationally.

[Bereta_Eder]

I can see them trying to stop MP3s. They won't be able to, but let them try.


What I don't understand is how can you possibly censor LYRICS! of artists....
On web pages that is. Not offensive words, lyrics...


and to a lesser extend guitar tabs.