Well, it finally happened...

[Zero]

Originally posted by Agathon
So good old blackmail from the uni there.

Bad stuff, huh.

Forgive me for not knowing the law very well. But if You could have proven that uni was attempting to blackmail, wouldnt hiring a lawyer be the best option in that case? then publicize the blackmail as well too!

[MRT144]

i find it ironic that he came out of his "methods of reasoning" class.

[Worthingtons]

True, but when a shoe shiner makes advances on you one's 'methods of reasoning' go out of the window. The Initial advance was rejected and the lad should have left it at that.

Forgive me if i'm wrong but surely questining one about thier sexuality, regardless of motive is not a strictly PC thing to do?? Sexuality is a private issue which one should not pry , there must be a grey area to fight you're ground on that (For example in the Army this woudnt be allowed as discussed in the other thread).

If there werent nearby witnesses (ie nobody heard him said it) I'd just make out the advance was more direct than you're hand (while hand and **** may have been several inches away you could say the only reason you're hands made contact was becuase you moved his hand away from your long john silver with yours)

Good luck anyway.

[KrazyHorse]

a shoe shiner

Is this some sort of quaint Pom expression for a homosexual?

[Sheik]

That was a bad idea. I would say the first thing to do is call a lawyer and see if you should apologize for anything you did. Tell him that he took you by surprise and that you have never had any exposure to "that kinda thing"

[Asher]

Originally posted by Rothy
True, but when a shoe shiner makes advances on you one's 'methods of reasoning' go out of the window.

You may choose to be a bit more diplomatic before using slang like that in the future.

[Boris Godunov]

Ah, the good old gay panic defense. If it has worked for murderers before, I'm sure it could work here.

Really, if a girl made a single unwanted advance on a guy, and he hauled off and hit her, who here would be trying to help the guy beat his rap with suggestions of making false claims? Give me a ****ing break.

Uber, you done wrong, very wrong, and instead of trying to weasel out of your punishment, maybe you should try to actually feel remorse for having violently attacked another person? It's just a crazy idea...

[Cyclotron]

We have already told Uber that he is not the victim, and that it was wrong to hit that other guy. It is not, however, a hate crime. Boris, you're right that his explanation is hardly a good defense against assault, but it should at least explain why he should not be carted off to "tolerance camp" or somesuch.

[Boris Godunov]

I was referencing the posts that suggested he lie (claim the guy tried to touch his genitals, claim he is sexually confused, etc.) to make it look like he had a mitigating "gay panic" defense in hitting the guy. His acts are indefensible, and he needs to own up to that.

However repugnant I find unwanted advances, they pale next to physical assault.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Calc II

Forgive me for not knowing the law very well. But if You could have proven that uni was attempting to blackmail, wouldnt hiring a lawyer be the best option in that case? then publicize the blackmail as well too!

Well it wasn't as clear cut as that. The university basically said - if you come after us with lawyers we will make sure that every time a prospective employer contacts the university about you, that your SH case will be on top of the file. I don't know if that counts as blackmail or not, but it was enough to scare them off, especially since they were only fined $200 each.

[Cyclotron]

I think most of those suggestions were tongue in cheek. It is indeed indefensible to attack another physically over such a small matter as an unwanted sexual advance.

[KrazyHorse]

They're both probably going to end up in touchy feely camp next to each other.

Bring your teddy bear, Uber...

[Thorn]

I hate people like you... give me your address so I can beat the **** out of you.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Agathon


Well it wasn't as clear cut as that. The university basically said - if you come after us with lawyers we will make sure that every time a prospective employer contacts the university about you, that your SH case will be on top of the file. I don't know if that counts as blackmail or not, but it was enough to scare them off, especially since they were only fined $200 each.

200$ is deserved as a stupidity tax.

I don't regard anything other than my home completely exempt from search without a warrant, no matter what the law says.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Ah, the good old gay panic defense. If it has worked for murderers before, I'm sure it could work here.

Really, if a girl made a single unwanted advance on a guy, and he hauled off and hit her, who here would be trying to help the guy beat his rap with suggestions of making false claims? Give me a ****ing break.

Uber, you done wrong, very wrong, and instead of trying to weasel out of your punishment, maybe you should try to actually feel remorse for having violently attacked another person? It's just a crazy idea...

On the other hand:

Really, if a guy made a single unwanted advance on a girl, and she hauled off and hit him, who here would be trying to help the girl beat her rap with suggestions of making false claims? Give me a ****ing break.

It seems that, if the above situation occurs, the girl seems to be within every right to hit the guy.

What Uber did was wrong. period.

But, in other circumstances, ie the girl hitting the guy, it would be ignored.

ACK!