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  • Clearing Up Confusion On "Rules Of War".

    I've seen a few threads that ask questions regarding rules that militaries are supposed to follow.

    As a public service announcement, they are as follows:

    The Rules of War
    If it seems to you that there are always rules to follow, no matter what you do, you won't be surprised to learn that international law sets out strict rules of behavior for countries during wartime. The first modern international rules of war, known as the Geneva Convention, or Treaty, were made in Geneva, Switzerland, in 1864. This treaty was accepted by all the European countries, by the U.S., and by some countries in Asia and South America. New rules are added as they are needed.

    Rule 1: Warring nations cannot use chemical weapons against each other.

    Rule 2: The use of expanding bullets or materials calculated to cause unnecessary suffering is prohibited.

    Rule 3: The discharge of projectiles (such as bullets or rockets) from balloons is prohibited.

    Rule 4: Prisoners of war must be humanely treated and protected from violence. Prisoners cannot be beaten or used for propaganda purposes (to try to change the way people think about something).

    Rule 5: Prisoners of war must give their true name and rank or they will lose their prisoner of war protection. (MIA stands for Missing in Action. POW stands for Prisoner of War.)

    Rule 6: Nations must follow procedures to identify the dead and wounded and to send information to their families.

    Rule 7: Killing anyone who has surrendered is prohibited.

    Rule 8: Zones must be set up in fighting areas to which the sick and injured can be taken for treatment.

    Rule 9: Special protection from attack is granted to civilian hospitals marked with the Red Cross symbol.

    Rule 10: The free passage of medical supplies is allowed.

    Rule 11: Shipwrecked members of the armed forces at sea should be taken ashore to safety.

    Rule 12: Any army that takes control of another country must provide food to the people in that country.

    Rule 13: Attacks on civilians and undefended towns are prohibited.

    Rule 14: Enemy submarines cannot sink merchant or business ships before passengers and crews have been saved.

    Rule 15: A prisoner can be visited by a representative from his or her country. Prisoners have the right to talk privately without observers.

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    As you can see, not all country's play the game by the rules.
    Last edited by SlowwHand; March 25, 2003, 12:22.
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  • #2
    Well, no one has always followed those rules completely, which is why, for example, they Doenitz wan't convicted of more at nuemberg for ordering his subs to sink merchants without warning. His lawyer brought in American Admirals to explain that they had done the same to Japanese shipping as the germans had to allied shipping.

    The rules also change throught time: chemical weapons ban certainly comes only after WW1.

    I doubt thought that if a new conventiona was called, all could agree on the complete set of revised rules.
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    • #3
      If Iraq did not sign up to the Geneva convention then it isn't exactly forced to follow the rules is it?

      And as said above, some signatories haven't exactly followed the convention strictly in cases yet feel they can use it as a blunt club to define "war crimes".

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      • #4
        I suppose the balloon part comes from the early ages of air bombing. Surprisingly, it is allowed to drop nasty things from planes, despite not from balloons.
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        • #5
          Didn't the chemical weapons one start out as a rule against poisoned bullets and evolve after WW1 into a wider interpretation?
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          • #6
            balloon warfare became redundant pretty quick which is why I suspect it's left in there but airplane based fighting was probably far too useful and thus never got included.

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            • #7
              I think all states are signatories to the convention.
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              • #8
                I don't know about "all nations" but Iraq signed in 1981.

                ...at least I think so.

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                • #9
                  The funny thing to me is that some people acuatly think that you can make rules for war, when you are at war and such, most countries will do what every it takes to win it or to defend themselves. To think that you can acuatlly make countries follow rules of war during a war is just too funny.
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                  • #10
                    We need an Institute of Civilised Warfare to mutter about these rules when they get broken a la Uplift Saga.
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                    • #11
                      How many wars have these rules started?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jack_www
                        The funny thing to me is that some people acuatly think that you can make rules for war, when you are at war and such, most countries will do what every it takes to win it or to defend themselves. To think that you can acuatlly make countries follow rules of war during a war is just too funny.
                        You sound like this guy I know of in Iraq.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jack_www
                          The funny thing to me is that some people acuatly think that you can make rules for war, when you are at war and such, most countries will do what every it takes to win it or to defend themselves. To think that you can acuatlly make countries follow rules of war during a war is just too funny.
                          We follow the the UK follows them, so forth and so on. The fact is that that notion: "no one follows the rules of war" is generally wrong. if your annalysis is correct, why haven't the following things already happened?

                          Blowing up southern oil fields, damns on the rivers, mass bombing of civilian centers, use of Chemical weapons, hell, use of nuclear weapons?

                          It is in everyone's interests to folow as many of these rules as possible since you never know when you will be at the recieving end. Hell, even the Nazi's generally followed the rules of war with those individuals they classified as worthy of the title "human being".
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DaShi
                            How many wars have these rules started?
                            None.

                            We need an Institute of Civilised Warfare to mutter about these rules when they get broken a la Uplift Saga.


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                            • #15
                              Why should the US follow the rules? If other nations break them no one bats an eye, but the US is looked upon negatively whether they follow them or not. Seems to put the US at an unfair disadvantage.
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