Harsh War Crtics: Values of the follwing needed for your apology after US/UK victory

[Serb]

Originally posted by Jaakko
I dunno Zylka, you started out ok, a bit too much platitudes perhaps, but it was pretty good.

But then you started your forays into bizarro insult land, hence my remark.

You never read Zylka's posts before?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Zylka
You know... that candle you used to burn - really cried a thousand poets anguish for the people of the Western tortured world. Care putting it back up?

Sure, some time around Wednesday.

Originally posted by Zylka
I don't know what specific category of opposition to the war you were in, but I believe it included the 500, 000 casualty claim. I'm expecting an apology at least for that, and we'll figure out more by analyzing a few of your always insightful and well respected "THE US WANTS FREE REIGN OVER THE WORLDS SAND" type past fears.

My position has been stated in at least a dozen threads, feel free to look it up.

[Zylka]

No, no. I don't think you understand what I'm on to with this realized insult policy. Do you know how much more fun I'm gonna make this place on the basis of past hypocricy - for YOU and ME!?!

WOW!!!#@ewq$!~r@

[Jaakko]

Gloating about how correct you are with 20/20 hindsight is something that, in your style, would be considered FUKCING ReTARDED!!!11!

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Zylka
Ok, enough heckling. Seriously though, what likelihood would you give to your situation? I tend not to cite possible scenarios as argument without a good 1:5 at the very most. Anything else seems like fear mongering to push ones own argument

My original post was a follow up on Ramo's thought. Clearly, if an independent Kurdistan is to exist, nobody other than UN would have the right to do so. But, since both Iraq and Turkey strongly opposes to such an entity, and seeing that this new country wouldn't have much of a defense to speak of, I can't see why either one won't just move troops in.

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Serb

Insult? Here on Poly, I heard thousand times how people ask each other "what are you smoking?". If you consideer this is an insult, perhaps it's because you are really smoke something illegal.

Since you've always called me an addict that was a crackhead reference. Thanks for being so coy

Zylka, thanks for sharing your point of view with me. Great aproach. You know, Hitler had the same view on issue.

Not at all my view, just tried to piss the seeming Serb off

Jesus, do you really think Iraqi people cheers American soldiers?

It's a saying to refer to the fact that they will be in constant thanks when dealing with them during reconstruction

Leaving few years in Canada didn't make you a Canadian yet. You're still a Polish drug addicted biatch.
And one more thing. I realize that such talented people as you are just unable to understand some things from first try. I've said it many times personaly for you, but I'll make one more and this time final try:
I'M NOT SERBIAN, AND DO NOT HAVE ANY SERBIAN HERITAGE. I'M RUSSIAN. R U S S I A N.
I'm wasting my time.

I'M OF POLISH HERITAGE. I'M CANADIAN BORN, C A N A D I A N

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Jaakko
Gloating about how correct you are with 20/20 hindsight is something that, in your style, would be considered FUKCING ReTARDED!!!11!

Where's the gloating?

[Serb]

I'M OF POLISH HERITAGE. I'M CANADIAN BORN, C A N A D I A N

I guess I know your weakness now, Pani Zilka.

Don't want to waste my time on you today, dismissed.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

For what it's worth, there are those of us who object to the war because the Bush administration has grossly vioalted the principles of international cooperation and, indeed, international law that have made the world a better, safer place since WWII. There are those of us who object to the war because it has robbed the US of any ability to speak with moral authority around the world, and replaced that with the schoolyard bully logic of might-makes-right. And for us, even if the war ended tomorrow without a single casualty and with the whole population of Iraq dancing in the streets, the war will still have been a mistake, and one we will be paying for for years.

[Jaakko]

Originally posted by Zylka


Where's the gloating?

Expecting apologies?

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Jaakko
Gloating about how correct you are with 20/20 hindsight is something that, in your style, would be considered FUKCING ReTARDED!!!11!

So if this war goes as well as hoped, gloating and apologizing of both sides isn't in order? THE FUTURE GROWTH OF CIVILIZATION IS BASED AROUND THE BASIC PRINCIPLE OF ADMITTING FAILURES AND PRAISING SUCCESSES

Admitting that your argued opinion was a failure underscores and examines why it was unrealistic, that's learning. Gloating is the victors seen reward for "putting up with" opposition to the argued set of ideas used. This is unnecessary. Both can take praise in constructing the debate, right or wrong - because it produced countless new ideas which are put in use in the success

...in any case - either side plans to gloat in the end. To avoid gloating, those wrong must swallow bitterness and simply admit to being wrong in whatever areas, and praise those who argued areas that were part of the success.

Just my take on how humans can defeat poor-winner poor-loser syndrome when it comes to ideological debate

[Jaakko]

Of course, the biggest failures have already taken place, in the form of the US marginalising UN in its pursuit of "preventive self-defence", and the growing rift between many European countries and the US.

Also, I don't think the outcome of the war was in any doubt. But as far as civilian casualties go, the hardest fighting is still ahead.

Then there's still the aftermath, on which the Bush administration has given precious little attention, in public at least.

And where did you get that 500k figure anyway? Overall dead, civilian dead, what?

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Serb


I guess I know your weakness now, Pani Zilka.

Don't want to waste my time on you today, dismissed.

Ok - Yet I think I'll rather waste MY time on a few of your lovely specimens of the English language!

Here, fair goers of Apolyton - is an utterly humiliated paragraph with suggestions for repair from a crack addict. Corrections are in bold:

Living a few years in Canada hasn't made you a Canadian, yet. You're still a Polish drug addicted (proper spelling for female dog).

[sic]And one more thing.[sic]

I do realize that talented people such as yourself are just unable to understand certain concepts at first try. I've said it many times personally for you, but here is one last attempt:

I'M NOT SERBIAN, AND DO NOT HAVE ANY SERBIAN HERITAGE. I'M RUSSIAN. R U S S I A N, FROM S I B E R I A, not SERBIA

Oh man. I'm not even sure what to do with half of that atrocious horror, and have simply re-written various chunks out of frustration. Yet it looks somewhat respectable of our fair English language now, no? Any help with this chore appreciated. On that note: how would you have handled editing this little gem?

"but I'll make one more and this time final try"

Serb: Might I offer the consideration of posting on Russian forums, from now on? Whoops, that's right... you're Serbian

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
For what it's worth, there are those of us who object to the war because the Bush administration has grossly vioalted the principles of international cooperation and, indeed, international law that have made the world a better, safer place since WWII. There are those of us who object to the war because it has robbed the US of any ability to speak with moral authority around the world, and replaced that with the schoolyard bully logic of might-makes-right. And for us, even if the war ended tomorrow without a single casualty and with the whole population of Iraq dancing in the streets, the war will still have been a mistake, and one we will be paying for for years.

Don't forget the ramifications that are to come in future years. The inflamed animosity of the Arab world, the drive of North Korea and Iran, and probably several other states, to get a hold of nuclear weapons to ensure their protection from U.S. invasion, the growing rift of international relations with even our allies, and the very possible upsurge in terrorism. Our actions in Iraq don't exist in a vacuum.

The other thing I lament is the continued impotence of Congress on matters of war. The President is not supposed to be the one deciding these sort of things, Congress is. But ever since Wilson, FDR and finally the War Powers Act, Congress has ceded its responsibility here, and I think that's a real problem.

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
For what it's worth, there are those of us who object to the war because the Bush administration has grossly vioalted the principles of international cooperation and, indeed, international law that have made the world a better, safer place since WWII. There are those of us who object to the war because it has robbed the US of any ability to speak with moral authority around the world, and replaced that with the schoolyard bully logic of might-makes-right. And for us, even if the war ended tomorrow without a single casualty and with the whole population of Iraq dancing in the streets, the war will still have been a mistake, and one we will be paying for for years.

Well put. This will have me thinking