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    Non-confrontational war thread: Why is "Old Europe" refered to as "Old Europe"

    *Not a pro or anti-war thread*

    Surely the Europe of old is warmongering and perfectly willing to ***** on anyone who isn't white? How is opposing the war "Old Europe"?


    *This isn't meant to imply that pro-war individuals are warmongering of willing to **** on non-whites
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    Old Europe is referred to as Old Europe because Rumsfeld claims it to be Old Europe. Naturally other aggressive pro-war Apolytonners have taken over that ridiculous term.
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    • #3
      Germany + France were the core of the creation and sustenance of the EU for half a century. "New Europe" suggests a diminishment of that core. Rumsfeld meant something very precise with his comment.
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        Well since Germany and France are most in favour of further European cooperation, I can't see how they are no longer the core of the EU.
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        • #5
          Rumsfield just wanted to coin a term to seperate friend from foe.

          I'm surprised that he managed to refrain from just calling them terrorists.
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          • #6
            I can't see how they are no longer the core of the EU

            I didn't say they were no longer the core.

            But their power relative to the rest of the EU is diminishing and there are likely to be successful coalitions against them in the EU in the future on some items.
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #7
              Rumsfield came up with a catchy phrase. We are stuck with it now. DanS, I think, explains the meaning pretty well.

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              • #8
                I think it goes further than what DanS said: "Old Europe" is old cause they don't back the new and revolutionary vision of the US for the future. New Europe, through its support for the US, does.
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                • #9
                  Old Europe has had their time.

                  Their time is over.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ted Striker
                    Old Europe has had their time.

                    Their time is over.
                    Do you honestly think that Eastern Europe is going to dominate over western europe?
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                    • #11
                      Old Europe is called Old Europe because they have white hair, arthritis, dementia and are cranky towards youngsters.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GePap
                        I think it goes further than what DanS said: "Old Europe" is old cause they don't back the new and revolutionary vision of the US for the future. New Europe, through its support for the US, does.
                        GePap, I think DanS had the technical reasons correct, and I think you nailed the psychological ones.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tassadar5000


                          Do you honestly think that Eastern Europe is going to dominate over western europe?
                          Considering they are siding with the US, yes.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ted Striker
                            Old Europe has had their time.

                            Their time is over.
                            Yep, sure; story time with Teddy.

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                            • #15
                              You know what I'm talking about Viking Eurocom descendent.
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