Are you Pro-War or Anti-War?

[Sandman]

Anti-war. The 'case for war' is based almost entirely on deception, the non-existant terrorist link and the grossly inflated effectiveness of CB weapons in particular.

[DRoseDARs]

Anti-War, Pro-Assassination

Compare and contrast:
One bullet to the head or successful strike of a single missile = one dead dictator and maybe a few top pro-dictator leaders, light if any unintended casualties (soldiers and civilians alike).

or

Hundreds of missiles, God-knows-how-many bullets/artillery shells/etc., potentially hundreds or thousands of casualties (killed or maimed, either in direct combat or bystanders; soldiers and civilians alike), no real garuntee (sp? I hate spelling that word...) that the targetted dictator is dead.



I've yet to hear a good explaination as to why assasination is MORE morally repugnent than open warfare. Yes, yes: Bay of Pigs blah Castro blah blah failed blah, but when have setbacks ever really stopped the US? And why with a better alternative to open war? It's still murder, and therefore "morally repugnent" and wrong, but why MORE so than open war?

[Drake Tungsten]

I am anti-war, but closer to the fence. Yesterday they repeated a great Frontline piece in which they took a bunch of frontlines done about iraq since 1990 and pieced them together to make one collage about the whole last 12 years, and it helped me gather my thoughts.

I am all for getting rid of Saddam Hussein, nor am I too worried that the UN sec Council did not approve it. What bother me greatly is that there was, unlike in kosovo, no substitute for the UN (in Yugoslavia you had NATO if not the UN) but more importantly, what disturbs me to no end is the underlying asumption for this war.

I do not think the Us has the ability, with all it power, to remake the world. I do not think "domino" theories, whether they are applied to communism or dmeocracy work. The admin. has undertaken a revolutionary act while justifying the act with absurd notions of a made up threat to gain support at home. This means that once the populace thinks the "threat" is gone, their support for the long-term operation afterwards will lower. The American people have no stomach for changing the world, or some Democratic Man's burden, which means that to create real, long term change, international cooperaion is key. This admin., may have admireable goals but its methods and its ideology are so dangerous that they invalidate any good they are trying to do.

Damn you, GePap! Why do you have to keep making sense?

Nice post. It seems that, despite our disagreements, your view isn't all that far away from mine...

[Asher]

I was neutral until the thing started.

The behavior and the lack of real arguments of the anti-war crowd has strongly pushed me in favor of the war now.

[Drake Tungsten]

The behavior and the lack of real arguments of the anti-war crowd has strongly pushed me in favor of the war now.

This has happened to me as well; I really can't stand the behavior of many of the anti-war protestors and it has soured me on the whole movement. I know there are thoughtful anti-war folks out there, but it's hard to remember them when all you see is complete morons holding up traffic with their "No Blood For Oil" signs...

[Verto]

[Boris Godunov]

Seems to me that changing one's view on the war based on the actions of a minority of idiots not related to it is rather...shallow?

[Drake Tungsten]

I've yet to see any evidence that the idiots are in the minority on the anti-war side...

[Boris Godunov]

Maybe because most anti-war folks aren't out in the streets blocking traffic?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Seems to me that changing one's view on the war based on the actions of a minority of idiots not related to it is rather...shallow?

I was neutral because I was expecting there to be a case for either side.

Case for pro-war: Saddam is a proven murderous tyrant.
Case for anti-war: War Is Bad^tm.

I gave both sides a chance to prove their merit, and only one side had something to bring to the table.

[GePap]

Idiots are the majority..hence the majority on both sides.

If we wanted to create a model for dmeocracy, we should have tried Egypt. Already at peace with Israel, has made great progress in breaking the islamists, and it is the biggest state in the Arab world and the center of Arabic culture currently. Instead we go for Iraq....

[Verto]

Originally posted by Asher
Case for pro-war: Saddam is a proven murderous tyrant.
Case for anti-war: War Is Bad^tm.

Don't forget : War For Oil

[Drake Tungsten]

Maybe because most anti-war folks aren't out in the streets blocking traffic?

That doesn't mean the people at home are any smarter...

The fact that celebrities have been stuck carrying the torch for the anti-war movement makes me think that there aren't many experts that support that point of view...

[Drake Tungsten]

Idiots are the majority..hence the majority on both sides.

I agree with you yet again, GePap, you bastard...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Verto
Don't forget : War For Oil

That one's great too.
I also like the one that makes the claim that the reason for the war is Cheney has connections to the company contracted to put out oil well fires.