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  • #31
    Originally posted by Ozz
    Crown fruit Company,- isn't assassinating foreign presidents against US law?
    If US law dictated international law and what constitutes war crimes, you might have me there on that being considered a war crime... except that the policy also only stands in order to protect the US president from similar attempts and it has recently been repealed.

    Anyway, blame the CIA mandate for that, not national policy. There wouldn't be any plausible deniability without them

    The Contra - affair, guns to Iran, money to rebels
    fighting a democratically elected government.
    Since when is funding rebels a war crime?
    Last edited by ruby_maser; March 20, 2003, 14:02.
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    • #32
      again, no one is proud of what we did. but it had to be done.
      ??? Uber, you support the Vietnam War??? Say it ain't so!
      To us, it is the BEAST.

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      • #33
        Screw you, Sava.

        You ignorant little twerp.
        Maybe I can show you somepics that illustrate how sorry the South was that the Americans were there.
        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Sava

          ??? Uber, you support the Vietnam War??? Say it ain't so!
          i don't support it, but i support what we did to win it.

          the Vietnamese were hardcore though. They did everything they had to do in order to win the war, both on the battlefield and in the villages themselves.

          when facing insurmontable odds, drastic measures must be taken.

          despite what you may think, when shorts are fired, the rules go out the window.
          "I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
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          • #35
            War Crimes are defined by the victors. Simple as that.
            "I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer

            "I imagine the neighbors on your right are estatic." - Slowwhand

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            • #36
              Originally posted by UberKruX


              i don't support it, but i support what we did to win it.

              the Vietnamese were hardcore though. They did everything they had to do in order to win the war, both on the battlefield and in the villages themselves.

              when facing insurmontable odds, drastic measures must be taken.

              despite what you may think, when shorts are fired, the rules go out the window.
              Well, yeah. If my shorts were on fire, I'd do whatever it took.
              Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
              "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
              He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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              • #37
                We should have never been there in the first place.

                Slowwy!
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #38
                  It's not a war crime to destroy iraqui oil fields since they are in Iraqui territory to begin with. Scorched earth.

                  Attacking Israel IS illegal but no more so than the US and UK attacking Irak. Both are unwarranted attacks against sovereign states and flagrant violations of internation law.
                  A true ally stabs you in the front.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Sava
                    We should have never been there in the first place.

                    Slowwy!

                    As I recall "we" weren't.
                    As I also recall, people damned near killed themselves in the panic to be evacuated.
                    As I also recall, every single refugee or relative of someone that refugeed, would tell you to stick it squarely up your ass.

                    Guess what, Sava?
                    Their opinion carries a hell of a lot more validity with me than does yours.
                    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                    • #40
                      Blowing up oil wells will disrupt the oil markets and increase the cost of the war for the Americans. It would be okay for the Iraqis to blow up their oil wells in peacetime, to suggest that wartime makes them untouchable is silly.

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                      • #41
                        ****. I know better than to try and reason with people who in all actuality should be chasing an ice cream truck.

                        Think what you want, it doen't really matter.
                        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                        "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by ruby_maser that the policy also only stands in order to protect the US president from similar attempts and it has recently been repealed.

                          Anyway, blame the CIA mandate for that, not national policy. There wouldn't be any plausible deniability without them

                          Since when is funding rebels a war crime?
                          I must be mistaken, but i believed that was a US law
                          at the time against assassination.

                          mandate, policy? That's like saying blame the crack when
                          a crackhead commits a crime. Come on, yer from Texas,
                          your not going to try and pass a bunch of lawyer snakeoil off on me?

                          When the other side calls them "Terrorists".

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                          • #43
                            Gerald Ford signed a "No assassination" policy, President Bush rescinded it, in time of war.

                            Smart move.
                            Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                            "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                            He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                            • #44
                              As I recall, SLowwhand... tens of thousands Americans, and 4 million South-East Asians died in a fool's errand that accomplished nothing. Two of my uncles served in Vietnam... even today, there are a great many things that was never told to the public. But I can see your point... let's fight unjust wars with other peoples' money and other peoples' lives.
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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                              • #45
                                Ozz, would you mind moving over there to your left?
                                Over there, behind Sava in the "Wannabe smart, yet dumb as dirt line".

                                Thank you.
                                Have to keep things straight.
                                Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                                "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                                He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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