The Persian Gulf War (Aug. 2, 1990–April 6, 1991)

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Olaf Hårfagre
Well, technically, Gulf War I never ended. American and British warplanes have been trespassing Iraqi airspace if not every day, so at least every week for the last 12 years. Quite often there have been attacks on ground targets. The air operations escalated for a period about 5 years ago when Saddam kicked the weapons inspectors out.

Well, simply put, you don't understand what you're talking about.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/noflyzone020510.html

"The No-Fly Zones
Areas Were Designated to Protect Minorities From Iraqi Attacks



May 10 — Iraqi defenses have regularly engaged U.S. and British planes patrolling the southern and northern "no-fly zones" established at the end of the 1991 Gulf War.

The no-fly zones, which Baghdad does not recognize, were imposed after the war to protect Kurdish communities in the north and Shiite Muslims in the south from possible attacks by Iraqi government forces. ..."



You see, it's not the U.S. that's not supposed to be flying.



GePap, and any other.
Research surrender terms of German and/or Japan forces in WW II,
contrast with the cease fire with Iraq.

You can start by reading the definitions of cease fire and surrender that I took time out of my busy day to provide.

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Sten Sture
We were just waiting for your Crown Princess to suit up to finish the battle.

(we couldn't wait longer, we don't want Madelaine to get hurt)

She's already suited, but I wouldn't like to send her into battle. According to the news, she's an elite-class runner but a lousy shot. I've tried the new AK5 last time I was on repetition excercise and I found it hard to miss anything within 2-300 meters at the shooting range. Victoria thinks it's hard to hit.

[Felch]

Originally posted by Sandman
No number of technicalities is a substitute for a proper casus belli.

Technicalities often are casus belli.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Anybody know how many conflicts are on hold out there?

Well, most obvious is the Korean War.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Sandman
No number of technicalities is a substitute for a proper casus belli.

Regardless of personal opinions, this argument has been settled. Today the 3rd Largest coalition of nations in the history of the world will bring a new opportunity for the Iraqi people.

[Chemical Ollie]

Slowwhand, your link only confirms what I said. Perhaps you reacted to my use of the word "trespassing"? Technically, the no-fly zones are iraqi airspace even if Iraqi airforce is not allowed to use it.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Anybody know how many conflicts are on hold out there?

Well, most obvious is the Korean War.

Korea was the main one that came to mind for me also. What about Israel-Syria? Aren't they still technically at war?

I do have to say that I had no idea about Berwick-upon-Tweed

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Olaf Hårfagre
Slowwhand, your link only confirms what I said. Perhaps you reacted to my use of the word "trespassing"? Technically, the no-fly zones are iraqi airspace even if Iraqi airforce is not allowed to use it.

You continue to misunderstand.

A part of the Cease Fire, that was brokered by the USA and Britain, stipulated A No Fly Zone by Iraq.
Iraq "air space" was forfeit.

In fact, Hussein has taken the same viewpoint as you, evidently, as anti aircraft weapons are occasionaly used by Iraq, and are...de-commissioned by the USAF.

Which is yet another violation of the cease fire.

[SlowwHand]

If you think more about WW II, you'll realize that U.S. troops have been in Japan and Germany since the SURRENDERS were signed on-board the Battleship Missouri while the Allies set up a post-war government in Germany.

Nothing happened like this in the Gulf War, because it was a Cease Fire.

[Lonestar]

....I just released my Uncle is sitting in a tank, in the dark, listening to USAF and USN planes bomb artillary that may have chemical weapons on hand.

Man, I bet that sucks. He said his marines were ready to kick ass tho'. (He's a Master Gunny)

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by PLATO1003


Regardless of personal opinions, this argument has been settled. Today the 3rd Largest coalition of nations in the history of the world will bring a new opportunity for the Iraqi people.

Besides the US and UK, and Spanish engineers and medical personnel and our Kuwait lapdogs, who's actually joining the party?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by SlowwHand


You continue to misunderstand.

A part of the Cease Fire, that was brokered by the USA and Britain, stipulated A No Fly Zone by Iraq.
Iraq "air space" was forfeit.

In fact, Hussein has taken the same viewpoint as you, evidently, as anti aircraft weapons are occasionaly used by Iraq, and are...de-commissioned by the USAF.

Which is yet another violation of the cease fire.

Actually, the cease fire (which one?) is a little more complex than that.

The military ceasefire orders signed by Gen. Schwarzkopf and Lt. General bin Sultan on behalf of the allies, and signed by military representatives of Iraq, are different documents than the subsequent terms of cease fire approved by the UNSC four days later, and the NFZ's were established after that, when the Iraqis played games with the types of helo flights allowed under the military cease fire. So you have at least three somewhat different sets of ceasefire terms, and at least one was signed by all parties, but it's not clear if the others were signed, or imposed unilaterally after the original terms.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Besides the US and UK, and Spanish engineers and medical personnel and our Kuwait lapdogs, who's actually joining the party?

Good question. The news continues to talk about the 30 countries that are actively supporting and 15 that are quietly supporting it. What does "supporting" mean is the question, right? The state department defines support as providing eithier military, logistical, intelligence, or medical support to the effort. Obviously, not all (or even anywhere close to most) are providing military support, which I think was the thrust of your question.

[KrazyHorse]

Then how is Afghanistan supporting it?

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Frogger
Then how is Afghanistan supporting it?

This one was a laugher to me also. I imagine that US forces are doing some staging out of Afghan bases with Karzi saying "okay",