Necessary Evil

[South killer]

I totally agree with Wernazuma III

So that makes me a criminal?

No. The fact that you are supporting a bloodly war with no reason is what makes you a murderer. American society is sick. You are just admiting it. Perhaps you agree with the war because you, as an american, has never seen real death on the streets, you haven't seen your country destroyed by dictatorships implanted by the USA, You haven't seen your country's resources being stolen by foreing corporations, You haven't seen the children dying of hunger in the streets while a fat bussinessman is tossing tons of good food to the garbage. You'll probably now turn on your T.V. and watch a funny serie in sony entretainment television and enjoy the ''american way of life'' while in countries on africa, on Irak,and in many other places people are dying and paying with their bloods so that you can enjoy your american way of life.
Ii hope that there aren't many americans that think like you, but sadly a lot of them think like you. By admitting that you want war and innocent people to die just reinforces the anti-americanism i feel in my heart.

A country whose people think like you just doesn't deserve to be the world's superpower.

[Dis]

but I have never murdered anyone



I guess I'm a murderer by some ****ed up sense of logic

[Dis]

I was unaware we are breaking the law. Maybe I'll have to rethink my arguments. Perhaps I'll become anti-war now

Well if we are breaking the law why doesn't the U.N. do something about it?

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Dissident
To further clarify my motivations. In D & D terms I would be classified as lawful neutral or lawful evil.

I thought you originally said neutral. There's a big difference between the two. Lawful neutral essentially means you are a sheep that does whatever your shepard tells you to - A dutiful soldier, for example... Lawful Evil essentially means that you are manipulative - a con artist or lawyer, for example.

Either way, basing your political outlook on a D&D alingment test is pretty stupid.

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by South killer
I totally agree with Wernazuma III

No. The fact that you are supporting a bloodly war with no reason is what makes you a murderer. American society is sick. You are just admiting it. Perhaps you agree with the war because you, as an american, has never seen real death on the streets, you haven't seen your country destroyed by dictatorships implanted by the USA, You haven't seen your country's resources being stolen by foreing corporations, You haven't seen the children dying of hunger in the streets while a fat bussinessman is tossing tons of good food to the garbage. You'll probably now turn on your T.V. and watch a funny serie in sony entretainment television and enjoy the ''american way of life'' while in countries on africa, on Irak,and in many other places people are dying and paying with their bloods so that you can enjoy your american way of life.

The bad thing is that dissident also thinks that this is how the world runs and still is OK with it. I understand better those who turn on the TV, see it, don't really think about it and go on with their lives...

By admitting that you want war and innocent people to die just reinforces the anti-americanism i feel in my heart.

That's where I disagree. There's a lot of Americans who have understood and don't agree with it and there is a huge mass of Americans who seemingly really think this is about human rights and democracy - they happen to be pro-war out of a wish to do the right thing, not out of selfishness.

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by Dissident
Well if we are breaking the law why doesn't the U.N. do something about it?

You know the answer just like I know it. Because your darwinist theory lamentably is how the world generally works and the stronger US makes the UN look powerless.
Look, I perfectly know that other nations wouldn't be better if THEY had the means to dominate everybody, yet it is not right, so I cannot support it (and I couldn't, even if I were American. I wouldn't, if Austria was a major power).

[Ned]

Originally posted by Dissident
I also believe this will be the last Republican president we have in a long time.

Somehow, I think this will turn on how the economy is doing and who the Democrats nominate.

I have every expectation that Iraq will turn out very well. The new Iraqi leaders will visit the US and be feted by Congress and our allies. A love fest for one and all. War criticizing Democrats, and of course, the French and the Germans will not be invited.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Dissident

I'm what you call a darwinist. I believe in survival of the fittest above all else.

Dissident, I would not call you a Darwinist. I would call you a Nazi.

[South killer]

That's where I disagree. There's a lot of Americans who have understood and don't agree with it and there is a huge mass of Americans who seemingly really think this is about human rights and democracy - they happen to be pro-war out of a wish to do the right thing, not out of selfishness.

perhaps I was a bit hateful. I know there are lots of americans that are against the war and most of americans are just confused. I'm not against all american people (just against people that think like dissident)but against the american administration and american culture. Your country has done terrible thinks throught its history, implanting dictatorships, organizing wars, intervending (sp?) in other countries issues with the excuse of ''helping'' but only helping themselves.
So perhaps you must rethink your role in the world and not continue doing what you have done so far, because with american leadership, humanity is going backwards and backwards.

[Dis]

I'll have to rethink this legal issue.

But how can you say this is not how the world works?

What I want to know is how you guys would solve this situaiton. Is there any way to disarm Iraq without forcing him to? I don't see it.

With all the thinkers in the world, surely they would have thought of some way to disarm Iraq.

P.S. To clarify by what I mean by winning. A victory for the U.S. would be disarming Iraq. But I refuse to lose on this issue. we cannot let Iraq manipulate their way out of this. All I really want is the disarmament of Iraq. That will be a U.S. victory just as good as conquering them, and will ensure U.S. political dominance.

[Ozz]

Originally posted by Dissident
I'm what you call a darwinist. I believe in survival of the fittest above all else.

I'd call you a realist

But isn't transending our baser instincts what civilization's goals are about, or is it owning digital watches and SUVs?

[Dis]

civilization is also about survival. We have only evolved to be more civilized because it was better for our survival. Normally an unproked war wouldn't be better for our survival, but I believe this one is.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Dissident
I'll have to rethink this legal issue.

But how can you say this is not how the world works?

What I want to know is how you guys would solve this situaiton. Is there any way to disarm Iraq without forcing him to? I don't see it.

With all the thinkers in the world, surely they would have thought of some way to disarm Iraq.

We shall now see if he responds to an ultimatum.

I always had hoped that a strong UN resolution that left Saddam no choice but to disarm or face war with the World would be effective. But that hope was sabatoged by the French and their lackey Blix.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Ozz


I'd call you a realist

But isn't transending our baser instincts what civilization's goals are about, or is it owning digital watches and SUVs?

Ozz, he is not a realist, he is a Nazi.

[Dis]

I think Bush could have handled this better diplomatically.

He gave the impression that he wanted to go to war no matter what.

As Clinton said, we passed that resolution last fall, and immediately sent over 100,000 troops.

While we all know Iraq would not have gone through with disarmamanet. We didn't do a good job giving him the chance.

I'm not sure if that would have been enough to get France on board though.