Bush,Blair, Aznar- "Monday is last day of diplomacy"

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Ned

To some extent, MacArthur came to the aid of SK on his own initiative, prior to a UN resolution. Had he had not been fired by that appeaser Truman, there would be no North Korea today.

You're right, N.Korea would be a radioactive wasteland from all the nukes he wanted to use on them and China..

[Ned]

Originally posted by Big Crunch


Not surprising as there was no UN at the time.

I know. But that is not the point.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Ned


I know. But that is not the point.

And my point is the comparison is out of place.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Ned


You know its history. It was once one country - a mandate - run by the Brits under League of Nations and then UN authority.

As to Palestinian becoming Israeli citizens - this is a solution I think will work. However, both parties do not want it.

So neither party accepts that it is a civil war, and neither do the US, Europe, or anybody else, but you think that it is?

This is like saying that Iraq's invasion of Kuwait was a purely internal matter, given that they boh had been part of the Ottoman Empire.

Ned, you can't have it both ways. If the Israelis themselves don't act as though it's a civil war, then a defense of them by claiming it is one simply means that they're guilty of racism and apartheid (since if Pals are Israeli citizens, as they must be for it to be a civil war, then the Israelis are keeping them kenneled up in the Occupied Territories, and do not let them vote or share in the benefits of citizenship etc.)

[The Mad Monk]

Ned, ease down. You're driving your argument off a cliff.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Ned
You know its history. It was once one country - a mandate - run by the Brits under League of Nations and then UN authority.

As to Palestinian becoming Israeli citizens - this is a solution I think will work. However, both parties do not want it.

Either all Palestinians are Isaeli citizens or they are not. if they are, it is indeed a civil war, but the Israeli government will have to be held responsible for some ghastly human rights and civil rights abuses, which you seem to support unconditionally for some unfathomable reason. If they are not, then it is a war and the Geneva Convention applies.

Take your pick.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Big Crunch


You're right, N.Korea would be a radioactive wasteland from all the nukes he wanted to use on them and China..

I'm sure the Russians would have been pleased.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Big Crunch


You're right, N.Korea would be a radioactive wasteland from all the nukes he wanted to use on them and China..

Big Crunch, you do know Truman authorized the use of nukes. However, when he fired MacArthur, he went passive. He was content to hold the line at the 38th parallel. Had he wanted to, he could have pushed the commies back to the Yalu and held the armistice line there.

[SlowwHand]

He should have pushed their nappy asses into China where they belong, Ned.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Frogger
And given that the US was not even a member of the LoN.

No the point is that the US has been acting to defend friends and allies for a long time and we do not need the League of Nations or the United Nations to continue to do this.

Somalia, Kosovo and Haiti also represent efforts by the US to restore law and order for the sake of the local population. The last two actions were without UN authority.

[SpencerH]

I'm betting on limited attacks on air defense tonight (Baghdad time).


Is there a possibility of a quick strike to take out Hussein? If they knew where he was it would certainly have the element of surprise.

[Ned]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Ned, ease down. You're driving your argument off a cliff.

Perhaps, but the Israelis' own view is that the 4th Geneva Convention does not apply. They view the conquest of the WB and Gaza as kicking out the foreigner from Palestine - which was their homeland under the Mandate.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Ned


Perhaps, but the Israelis' own view is that the 4th Geneva Convention does not apply. They view the conquest of the WB and Gaza as kicking out the foreigner from Palestine - which was their homeland under the Mandate.

Who gave them the mandate? And whose resolutions are they now defying?

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by SpencerH
I'm betting on limited attacks on air defense tonight (Baghdad time).


Is there a possibility of a quick strike to take out Hussein? If they knew where he was it would certainly have the element of surprise.

we've been softening up air defences and radar for a while now

as for the saddam take out strike, he's probably dug himself into the center of the earth by now.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Ned


Big Crunch, you do know Truman authorized the use of nukes. However, when he fired MacArthur, he went passive. He was content to hold the line at the 38th parallel. Had he wanted to, he could have pushed the commies back to the Yalu and held the armistice line there.

He authorised nukes on Japan. MacArthur asked for authorisation on Korea and on China - he was denied.