Americas end as global leader? FICTIONAL

[MikeH]

The Germans would have kicked our arses if it wasn't for the Americans and Russians.

UUSSSAR!

[Ozz]

Originally posted by MikeH
The Germans would have kicked our arses if it wasn't for the Americans and Russians.

UUSSSAR!

The Germans SHOULD have kicked our arses if it wasn't for the Americans and Russians

Don't forget the stupidity factor, ie: Hilter's genuis
Dunkirk, for one, Egypt for two. It the Germans would have commited real sized forces to NA they could have won before attacking Russia. Germans in egpyt = Uboats in the Indian ocean. Winning the battle of the Atlantic would have been easier if UK had to fight the
Battle of the Indian ocean.

Hilter's stupidity was Britian's sure shield against defeat.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Rothy
Look at the Force we're ready to send to the gulf, that alone would wipe out France and Germany combined.

Your measly 46,000 wouldn't be able to advance 50 kilometers. And no, I won't translate this in miles for you.

[Demerzel]

We do have more than 46,000 troops by the way, that's just the number being sent to the Gulf. I think we'd put up a fair fight too.

Oh and you'd not be able to stop us landing considering your troops aren't allowed to leave their own country

[Ozz]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph

Your measly 46,000 wouldn't be able to advance 50 kilometers. And no, I won't translate this in miles for you.

He's right, the roads would be jammed with surrendering French and Germans even before you went
50 kils in, it would be all over.

[Harovan]

He said "ready to send to the gulf".

IIRC, you have about 120,000. Our army is about twice as large. For a successful attack you need either a solid superiority in manpower or in technology. You have neither of them.

And by the way, we're also not cavemen running around with jawbones. Our army may be in a bad state what concerns its offensive abilities at the moment, that is true, but to defend our territory it is able easily. And they are allowed to leave their territory, too. They're running the show in Kosovo right now, and some of them were also sighted in Afghanistan.

Oh, and not wanting to fight and not being able to fight are two different things, you know.

[Auwi]

Man, that scenario would make a really cool computer game! Just make an entire game around that one scenario. You could play either side. And just think how controversial it would be!

I think the Anti-American forces would have to fight very carefully, so that the US doesn't have a good excuse to pre-empt. It would probably start out as a cold war taking 20 years or more. All sorts of political wrangling, trade sanctions, etc. to cripple America's economy, then the hostilities gradually escalate. The end game would be occupation of the entire mainland. Of course a massive propaganda campaign would be neccesary to win over the American public gradually over the course of decades. It would all be in the game. Sounds like fun to me, even though I love this country.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Rothy
Firstly, England withstood years of German Assault without cracking and without US assistance. We'd soaked up the pressure and were starting our counter attack when the US entered. I think most Historians would agree that America NOT entering WW2 would have meant a prolonged route to victory (for england) or a stalemate, England simply woudnt have lost.

Anyway, On topic.

There is no way this Alliance could overhaul America , As Vel says they coudnt ship thier troops and attack forces accross to America.

Secondly do you think the UK would stand by and let our good friends in America suffer?? Look at the Force we're ready to send to the gulf, that alone would wipe out France and Germany combined.

Thirdly, how many countries would sell thier values for some good American Dollars?? America has so much Wealth it could buy a whole heap of Powers, who do you think Japan would ally with? Thier rich neighbours of America, or this supposed Alliance and be the first to have thier arses kicked!

On a Final point, while economically those powers suggested might add up to something, Military speaking the only country there of any note is Russia, who are light years behind the US.

Consider the fact, that you only need one cruise missile to take out any naval vessel, and it should even the ods on naval warfare.

anti-missile defenses such as Phalanx Chain Guns onboard ships in a carrier group can pretty well protect the fleet from cruise missile attack, tho a barage could penetrate, this is true. Missile defenses are improving everyday.

[Nubclear]

People are forgetting another weapon......Nuclear proliferation.

Russia has many nukes. Simply selling them off to other countries and....The US' days will be limited.