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    Bush Sr warning over unilateral action

    From Roland Watson in Washington



    THE first President Bush has told his son that hopes of peace in the Middle East would be ruined if a war with Iraq were not backed by international unity.
    Drawing on his own experiences before and after the 1991 Gulf War, Mr Bush Sr said that the brief flowering of hope for Arab-Israeli relations a decade ago would never have happened if America had ignored the will of the United Nations.

    He also urged the President to resist his tendency to bear grudges, advising his son to bridge the rift between the United States, France and Germany.

    “You’ve got to reach out to the other person. You’ve got to convince them that long-term friendship should trump short-term adversity,” he said.

    The former President’s comments reflect unease among the Bush family and its entourage at the way that George W. Bush is ignoring international opinion and overriding the institutions that his father sought to uphold. Mr Bush Sr is a former US Ambassador to the UN and comes from a family steeped in multi-lateralist traditions.

    Although not addressed to his son in person, the message, in a speech at Tufts University in Massachusetts, was unmistakeable. Mr Bush Sr even came close to conceding that opponents of his son’s case against President Saddam Hussein, who he himself is on record as loathing, have legitimate cause for concern.

    He said that the key question of how many weapons of mass destruction Iraq held “could be debated”. The case against Saddam was “less clear” than in 1991, when Mr Bush Sr led an international coalition to expel invading Iraqi troops from Kuwait. Objectives were “a little fuzzier today”, he added.

    After the Gulf War, Mr Bush Sr steered Israel and its Arab neighbours to the Madrid conference, a stepping stone to the historic Israeli-Palestinian Oslo accords, in much the same way that the present President has talked about the removal of Saddam as opening the way to a wider peace in the region.

    In an ominous warning for his son, Mr Bush Sr said that he would have been able to achieve nothing if he had jeopardised future relations by ignoring the UN. “The Madrid conference would never have happened if the international coalition that fought together in Desert Storm had exceeded the UN mandate and gone on its own into Baghdad after Saddam and his forces.”

    Also drawing on the lessons of 1991, he said that it was imperative to mend fences with allies immediately, rather than waiting until after a war. He had been infuriated with the decision of King Hussein of Jordan to side with Saddam rather than the US, but while criticising the Jordanian leader in public and freezing $41 million in US aid, he also passed word to King Hussein that he understood his domestic tensions.

    Mr Bush Jr, who is said never to forget even relatively minor slights, has alarmed analysts with the way in which he has allowed senior Administration figures such as Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, aggressively to criticise France and Germany.

    There are, however, signs that Mr Bush Sr’s message may be getting through.

    Father and son talk regularly and it was, in part, pressure from Mr Bush Sr’s foreign policy coterie, that helped to persuade the President to go to the UN last September.


    A very, very interesting article.

    It just about confirms the fears I had about Bush Junior's way of doing "diplomacy". Now I hope that Daddy can finally pound some sense into him.
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    - Lone Star

  • #2
    Anyone else see this thread title and hope for an entirely different subject?
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    "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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    • #3
      I did, Guyne.

      I couldn't care less what Sr. Bush has to say.
      If he'd had any balls, and stood up to the U.N. in the first place, his son wouldn't be cleaning up after him, now would he?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Guynemer
        Anyone else see this thread title and hope for an entirely different subject?
        "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Guynemer
          Anyone else see this thread title and hope for an entirely different subject?


          In all honesty, I must admit I didn't come up with the title myself.
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          • #6
            Here's a better article on the same speech.



            In short, Bush 41 wasn't criticizing Bush 43 for going to war without UN approval. Rather, he was saying not to burn any bridges while doing it.
            Last edited by DanS; March 10, 2003, 16:38.
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            • #7
              hot lesbian action. I love it.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DanS
                Here's a better article on the same speech.



                In short, Bush 41 wasn't criticizing Bush 43 for going to war without UN approval. Rather, he was saying not to burn any bridges while doing it.
                A decent thought; too bad he didn't share it before 43 started playing with a Zippo whilst flinging kerosene to and fro.
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                "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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                • #9
                  Essentially the same thought I had, Guy: I wish Bush the elder had spoken up earlier, if his speaking up really had an effect on Bush the younger.

                  -Arrian
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                  • #10
                    sounds like a lesbian porn I recently rented
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Dissident
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                      Damn! Beaten to it.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Arrian
                        Essentially the same thought I had, Guy: I wish Bush the elder had spoken up earlier, if his speaking up really had an effect on Bush the younger.

                        -Arrian
                        I just hope he can have some significant impact now, while there's still a little hope.

                        Originally posted by Jaakko
                        Now I hope that Daddy can finally pound some sense into him.
                        Right now I'd like to pound some "sense" into him
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                        • #13
                          Well it just proves what has been known for a while. 43 doesn't want to follow in 41's footsteps, but wants to instead follow 40... um, Reagan .
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                          • #14
                            hot lesbian action. I love it.
                            I was thinking more of like that time when Conan O'Brien had that 'Max on Max' thingy. But then again, I'm twisted.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                              Well it just proves what has been known for a while. 43 doesn't want to follow in 41's footsteps, but wants to instead follow 40... um, Reagan .
                              He's pretty good at simulating Alzheimer.
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