Report: Iran has 'extremely advanced' nuclear program

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Odin
The reason Iran wants nukes, I bet, is Israel and Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech. It is a self defence and a "don't mess with us" thing. I don't think Iran has any intention of using them, they want nukes as a deterant. I'm sick of Bush acting like the US is the only nation allowed to have nukes.

The Mullahs must have been precient regarding the Axis of Evil speech, as this program has been underway for years and years before Bush was even elected. The U.S. under many presidents has consistently wanted to see a ME free from nuclear weapons. Among many reasons for this is the potential for even a small nuclear force of wiping Israel off the map with a first strike. The Iranian regime is pretty scary in comparison to the almost powerless Iranian people. They have sponsored and do sponsor numerous terrorist acts and groups. We don't like proliferation by anyone, but Iran has to be one of the countries we would least like to see having their words and deeds backed by nuclear weapons.

Is the rolleyes so common to your posts some sort of stage direction, indicating the proper emotional state one should have while reading them? If so, then it is particularly apt.

[Az]

Closer to 4-6 billion total (military and direct aid), IIRC.

2-3, IIRC. Military aid only these days. Besides, it was a strategy to balance the military and civilian aid given by the Soviets to various arab regimes. a cold war tactic.

When Syria receives $90+ billion from US taxpayers (and says thanks by spying on us then selling the info to the Soviet Union), and when I have to wonder whether my own elected officials are more loyal to the US or to Syria, then I'll worry about a "double standard" in Lebanon.

hmmm, so do you mean that elected officials in the US are loyal to Israel?
someone has been reading jewwatch.com too much, lately.

the only thing being US military assistance is being increased by almost the same amount.

link?

Khomeini was as loony as they get, Azazel, but he's been dead for some time now.

good to know that the voice of reason has returned now to Iran.

[MarkG]

Citing unnamed diplomatic sources

yiiiiiha!

On a visit last month to Iran, Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, visited the facility.....

...But diplomatic sources quoted by TIME say he found the plant much further advanced than previously believed.

i guess he cant speak for himself so the "sources" had to come out with the truth.....

[Az]

go away, troll.

[MarkG]

TIME should write "a diplomat with a black hood told us that".....
it would be more dramatic

[uh Clem]

hmmm, so do you mean that elected officials in the US are loyal to Israel?
someone has been reading jewwatch.com too much, lately.

Typical. Criticize the Israel lobby's influence in Washington and you're Julius Streicher.

When Henry Jackson (who was as goyish as lutefisk) was Senator from Washington, one of his staff people passed classified info from the National Security Council to Israel. The staffer was Richard Perle, now the Bush regime's Psycho-In-Chief on the Middle East. Perle was never disciplined nor fired.

You may think that it's your country's right to stay in the occupied territories as long as it likes. I disagree. But either way, I don't want my country assisting Israel in that endeavor. Believe it or not, that doesn't turn me into some who believes in the Protocols, so take your smears and stuff 'em.

[Panag]

Originally posted by uh Clem


Typical. Criticize the Israel lobby's influence in Washington and you're Julius Streicher.

When Henry Jackson (who was as goyish as lutefisk) was Senator from Washington, one of his staff people passed classified info from the National Security Council to Israel. The staffer was Richard Perle, now the Bush regime's Psycho-In-Chief on the Middle East. Perle was never disciplined nor fired.

You may think that it's your country's right to stay in the occupied territories as long as it likes. I disagree. But either way, I don't want my country assisting Israel in that endeavor. Believe it or not, that doesn't turn me into some who believes in the Protocols, so take your smears and stuff 'em.

hi ,

we are not in any "occupied teritories" , .....

if next week canada invades the state of NY and holds it for twenty years and the US takes it back , would it then be justified 30 years later for canada to say the US has no right there , ......

no , it would not be , the same counts for Israel , ....

we have given back all the land we ever held that does not belong to us , .....

have a nice day from the liberated territories

[Az]

uh Clem : you didn't criticize the lobby's influence, you said that you think that the loyalties of the US gov't and elected officials lay not with the USA, but with Israel.

now if they were TRUE patriots....

[PLATO]

Israel is right. The Palestinians are wrong. That's my firm belief. It is correct for politicians to support Israel.

Where Israel can do better is to give the Pals some hope. While it is true that they(the Pals) have done everything they possibly can to put themselves in this position and little if nothing to improve it, they do need to have hope of a better future before the tide will turn for them.

They can start by getting NEW LEADERSHIP. If their policies change then they may get the support of American politicians as well.

[St Leo]

OT: I just misread the thread title as "Imran has 'extremely advanced' nuclear program".

[MRT144]

Imran is too wise to use those weapons in an offensive manner. maybe he needs a fan club

[Ned]

anti-semitism?

uh Clem, a democrat congressman, Jim Moran, said the other day that the reason Bush is so adament about Iraq is the Jews in the US support the removal of Saddam and are urging war.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/moran.jews/index.html

This is very close, if not the same thing, as you just said in connection with the Palestinian situation.

Moran has apologized because his remarks were clearly anti-Semitic.

Will you apologize?

[uh Clem]

Sorry, Ned, but you're going to have to point out the specific anti-Semitic remark that I made. None of this "A is kinda like B and B is bad so A must be bad."

I'm not surprised. If you don't want the foreign policy of the United States unduly influenced by another country, the only plausible explanation is that you hate the people of that country and their entire ethnicity. Yeah, that must be it.

Over the past year the War Party's arguments have been so relentessly shoddy that this is pretty much what they're reduced to.

[Ned]

uh Clem, why would you say that US foreign policy is "unduly" influenced by Israel?

[Az]

Ned, this is exactly my problem with that. I have no problem with him saying we're wrong. I have no problem with him saying that his gov't is wrong by supporting us.

His theory that Israel and it's authorities somehow control the US gov't......