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  • Has Bush Gone Mad?

    U.S. may reconsider Iraq war resolution


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    By Ron Fournier



    March 4, 2003 | WASHINGTON (AP) -- With other nations' opposition hardening, the Bush administration left open the possibility Tuesday that it would not seek a United Nations vote on its war-making resolution if the measure was clearly headed for defeat.

    U.S. troop strength in the Persian Gulf neared 300,000, and President Bush and his advisers were looking beyond the diplomatic showdown in the U.N. to make plans for a public relations buildup to potential war with Iraq.

    One option under serious consideration was Bush giving Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein a final ultimatum, perhaps with a short-term deadline, in an address next week, two senior White House officials said.

    The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, stressed that a variety of options are on the table and all depend on the outcome of a U.N. Security Council debate on the U.S.-backed war resolution. In a new blow, Russia's top diplomat said Moscow may use its veto against the measure.

    Even without a veto from Russia, China or France, the United States still doesn't have the nine votes needed to win approval of the resolution, according to both supporters and opponents. Many undecided council members are looking for a compromise.

    Secretary of State Colin Powell, in an interview with RTL television of Germany, said that early next week U.S. leaders would "make a judgment on whether it's time to put the resolution up to a vote." But he also said the United States was inclined to push for a vote "in the absence of compliance on the part of Saddam Hussein."

    At the White House, spokesman Ari Fleischer said, "The vote is desirable. It is not necessary."

    Once the vote is resolved one way or another, Bush will intensify his case for war, officials said, barring unforeseen events such as Saddam suddenly disarming or going into exile.

    In addition to a possible address, they have discussed a presidential news conference and a Cabinet meeting as ways for Bush to communicate his plans to the nation next week. He may stop short of a specific ultimatum, officials said, but would make it clear that war is imminent in other ways, such as warning journalists and humanitarian workers to get out of Iraq.

    Meanwhile, Bush telephoned leaders of India and Egypt to discuss his plans. And officials said Powell had had two telephone conversations and a one-on-one meeting in recent days with Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Ernesto Derbez in his search for Mexican support.

    The Army's oldest armored division, "Old Ironsides," got its orders to head for the Persian Gulf, and Pentagon officials said U.S. land, sea and air forces were approaching 300,000 in the region.

    Tommy R. Franks, the commander who would lead the war, met at the Pentagon with Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and was to consult with Bush on Wednesday.

    Still to be resolved was the military question of whether Turkey would allow its territory to be used for U.S. ground forces to open a northern front against Iraq.

    At the White House, Fleischer said Turkey would lose a proposed $15 billion aid package unless it went along.

    "The particular package that we've been talking to them about was predicated on assistance and cooperation in any plan for the use of force against Iraq," Fleischer said.

    Until Tuesday, the spokesman had suggested part of the package would be available to Turkey regardless of whether 62,000 American troops are allowed in the country. White House officials said they were turning up pressure on Turkey in hopes that the parliament would grant the U.S. request on a second vote.

    At the United Nations, meanwhile, Secretary-General Kofi Annan called Baghdad's destruction of missiles "a positive development," putting him at odds with Bush's assessment.

    Russia's Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov, renewing Moscow's opposition to quick military action, indicated Russia may use its veto against the U.S.-backed U.N. resolution.

    Both developments further complicated Bush's efforts to win passage of the resolution, adding significance to talk of what the administration would do if U.N. opposition hardens.

    "The president has made clear, that ... whether the United Nations votes or does not vote, that we will disarm Saddam Hussein with a coalition of the willing," Fleischer said. "We are proceeding with all the plans for the vote."

    "Now, if you are asking me if all of a sudden support around the world crumbles and there is absolutely no one for it, I can't predict with metaphysical certitude every eventuality," Fleischer said.

    U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte was asked whether the United States would withdraw the resolution if it didn't have the votes to pass it.

    "We believe that support should be there and we're not facing that kind of situation; and I think we'll cross that bridge if and when we come to it, but we don't think we should have to come to that point," he said.


    The US can't get the nine votes it needs. We're not talking about a simple veto anymore. The US does not have UN support, period.

    What will this do for nations that support us, like Britain and Spain? Will these governments still be able to give support to the US if Bush refuses to seek UN approval for his war of aggression? Will they fall? And what about countries that are important for the physical aspects of the invasion, like Saudi Arabia, which said that it only allow it's territory to be used if the UN approves of military action.

    Is the Bush government really so completely out of touch with reality that they think they can get away with making enemies of the world? They are ignoring a major crisis on the Korean Peninsula in order to be able to attack Iraq. They managed to get lucky and nab a senior al-Qaeda leader, and kudos for that. But they're still ignoring the large base of a-Qaeada operatives in Pakistan, they're ignoring the source of funding for al-Qaeda from Saudi Arabia (which is still sending money!!!!).
    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

  • #2
    Go join the other shields that are there to stay.
    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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    • #3
      It would be absolutely hilarious if Hussein suddenly disarms at the last minute.
      (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
      (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
      (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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      • #4
        chegitz - Don't let your hatred of Bush blind you to doing what is moral.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SlowwHand
          Go join the other shields that are there to stay.
          I don't believe in suicidal adventurism. I'd rather do civil disobedience in America among my own people, where it might actually make a difference.

          So, why don't you just put me on your ignore list, so you won't have to be challenged to think anymore. You can just go on believing what the President tells you (except when he's a Democrat).

          Did the government lie during McCarthyism?
          Did the government lie about the Vietnam war?
          Did the government lie about Watergate?
          Did the government lie Iran-Contra?
          Did the government lie under Clinton?

          If they've been lying for fifty years, why do you think they're telling the truth now?
          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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          • #6
            Who cares about the UN? It's a sick joke. It's conference on disarmament was co-chaired by Iran and Iraq, and it's human rights commission is headed by Libya.
            ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
            ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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            • #7
              The US can't get the nine votes it needs.

              Who says that?
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Caligastia
                Who cares about the UN? It's a sick joke. It's conference on disarmament was co-chaired by Iran and Iraq, and it's human rights commission is headed by Libya.
                That's why New Zealand got rid of you. Good for them.
                (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Caligastia
                  Who cares about the UN?
                  Most of the rest of the people on the planet seem to care about it, that's who. Nor does your question address any of the questions I raised. How will US refusal to continue persuing the matter affect other governments, whose support of the US is deeply unpopular with their own people and could only be sustained as part of a UN effort?


                  BTW, the Human Rights commission chairing was a deliberate snub to the US over its refusal to support Kyoto, the Land Mine ban, and it's withdrawl from the ABM treaty. It's not that anyone believes Libya is somehow a enlightened state.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #10
                    We have all gone mad. Rejoice in it. One day we will all be able to tell our grandchildren that we were around when all the world lost it's mind. That is if we are still alive to tell the tale.


                    Urban Ranger: How can he disarm if the US is lieing about all this and he isn't violating anything. Unless you think he is hiding things.
                    Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DanS
                      The US can't get the nine votes it needs.

                      Who says that?
                      This article for one (AP).
                      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                        If they've been lying for fifty years, why do you think they're telling the truth now?
                        "The Government" is not a singular evil entity/personality. It's made up of people. Sometimes people lie, sometimes they tell the truth. Bush cannot gain much politically from this move, and considering he is a commited christian, I trust his honesty.
                        ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                        ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                        • #13
                          I think we should make him get rid of every last weapon. Then attack.

                          It's a good strategy!
                          "You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran

                          Eschewing silly games since December 4, 2005

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                          • #14
                            Bush has not gone mad.

                            Bush is mad.

                            Actually, did any of you watch Gretta van Susteren last night? She had the Iraqi ambassador on who said that Turkey would invade Iraq if it appeared that the territorial integrity of Iraq was coming unglued, meaning independence for the Kurds.

                            Later analysts said that the likelihood of Turkey seizing key Northern Oil Fields was "high."

                            WTF does this mean? Do we turn our guns on Turkey when the Iraqi's surrender?
                            http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior
                              I think we should make him get rid of every last weapon. Then attack.

                              It's a good strategy!
                              I'd be very happy with that strategy. Whatever makes it easier.
                              Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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