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    Why do they fear a US attack? The US have made absolutely no indications or anything about attacking NK. I think NK is using this as an excuse to build up their nuclear weapons. For what reason would US attack NK for anyway? President BUSH specifically told them US is not going to attack them. Seems like to me with NK's lame threats of claiming the world will suffer a horrifying nuclear disaster (as they say) is going far down the wrong road. Oh but the US are the bad guys...WHATEVER.
    -PrinceBimz-

  • #2
    You might be surprised at how many people (especially posters here on 'poly) would agree with your last sentence, minus the WHATEVER.

    The stock answer would be to bring up the "Axis of Evil" speech, and then point to Iraq (1st part of the "Axis") and the drive to war there. Add in NK's paranoia and general US evilness, and voila!

    There was a rather long NK thread around, but maybe it fell off the first couple of pages...

    -Arrian
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    • #3
      http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=77563
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      • #4
        I dunno. What had Grenada ever done to the US?
        (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
        (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
        (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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        • #5
          2 threads a day in the OT max.

          But this guy just starts threads and then abandons them and creates new ones.
          Tutto nel mondo č burla

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          • #6
            USA

            Why do they fear an Iraqi attack? Iraq has made absolutely no indications or anything about attacking the US. I think the US is using this as an excuse to build up its military. For what reason would Iraq attack the US for anyway? Seems like to me with US' lame claims that the world will suffer a horrifying nuclear disaster (as they say) is going far down the wrong road. Oh but Iraq is the bad guy...WHATEVER.

            "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
            "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
            "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Urban Ranger
              What had Grenada ever done to the US?
              Threaten the safety of medical students?
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DinoDoc
                Threaten the safety of medical students?
                With what, large bananas?
                (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                • #9
                  PrinceBimz :

                  From your previous posts in the OT, there is something you don't seem to know, and that everyone should teach you : sometimes politicians LIE. They don't tell the truth. THey don't tell what they mean. They distort their speech to mislead their listeners. They lie

                  Bush is confronted to a potential nuclear rabid dog. If he can make this rabid dog harmless with a war, he won't hesitate (like if the chickenhawks hesitate to go to war these days ). Until then, he tries to appease the dog to avoid being bitten. This includes a "calm down, I won't harm you" kind of speech.

                  Of course NK is fearing an attack : if it is proven they are not a complete threat yet, they'll be attacked immediately, to avoid them fulfilling their nuclear ambition.

                  I can't understand you're taking anything Bush says as the truth. Bush lies shamelessly, like almost all politicians. Do not trust him, and do not trust any of his competitors.
                  "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                  "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                  "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                    With what, large bananas?
                    Strangely enough, there's a rumour that people in third world countries might have guns.
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                      I dunno. What had Grenada ever done to the US?
                      Took US hostages at the university?
                      "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Spiffor
                        PrinceBimz :

                        From your previous posts in the OT, there is something you don't seem to know, and that everyone should teach you : sometimes politicians LIE. They don't tell the truth. THey don't tell what they mean. They distort their speech to mislead their listeners. They lie

                        Bush is confronted to a potential nuclear rabid dog. If he can make this rabid dog harmless with a war, he won't hesitate (like if the chickenhawks hesitate to go to war these days ). Until then, he tries to appease the dog to avoid being bitten. This includes a "calm down, I won't harm you" kind of speech.

                        Of course NK is fearing an attack : if it is proven they are not a complete threat yet, they'll be attacked immediately, to avoid them fulfilling their nuclear ambition.

                        I can't understand you're taking anything Bush says as the truth. Bush lies shamelessly, like almost all politicians. Do not trust him, and do not trust any of his competitors.
                        Spiffor, while I agree with your lesson to PrinceBimz that politicians do lie, much of what else you mention is not corraberated by the facts.

                        US policy is to exhaust diplomatic routes until they are exhausted (you may also read this as "until they become fruitless"). After 12 years and 17 UN resolutions to date, Iraq has not complied with theinternational will. The crisis in North Korea is truly in its infancy. The IAEA is working hard to try to develop a diplomatic way to bring North Korea into compliance. The US is trying hard with offers to provide essential needs in exchange for compliance with international treaty. South Korea is working hard. No one on our side of this crisis is calling for any military option now or in the future. As we have seen by the Iraqi process, diplomacy can take years to determine if it has been sucessful or not. Once it has not been, then is when other options are explored.

                        You are not being fair to the US government
                        "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                        • #13
                          actually, that's not quite correct. nobody in the arab world is exactly hankering for a war with iraq.

                          and nobody in east asia wants a war in skorea, least of all the skoreans.
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                          • #14
                            I agree I am not fair to the US government, because I tend to exaggerate its hawkishness.
                            However, I do think the US, like Japan and possibly China, is considering a second Korea war as one of the options (even though these considerations don't make it to the media, unlike the war in Iraq).

                            I still believe the few things that have been done during 12 years in Iraq equate to nothing : the international comunity let the situation rot, rather than looked for solutions.
                            Now that Bush II has put Iraq on the table again, it is time to look for a solution. The first suggestion ever of the Bushies was to go to war, to "finish the job".

                            War IMHO, goes in the general Weltanschauung of the Hawks leading the US, and in general serves the interests of the administration and its clients. Looking for diplomatic solutions doesn't enter in the new doctrine of the White House, which is basically to show everyone who's the boss (hence the hugely increased military budget).

                            However, since NK is threathening, unlike Iraq, Bush et al. will hesitate to go to war. They'll actively look for a diplomatic solution if it is proven NK can nuke LA. If NK isn't proven threatening, you can be sure the US won't take any chances, exactly like Japan is planning to do, and like China might be considering.
                            "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                            "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                            "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                            • #15
                              nobody in the arab world is exactly hankering for a war with iraq.
                              No one is "hankering" for war anywhere. The Arab states of Baharain, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, and Qatar openly support the goal of Saddam being dismissed as leader of Iraq. Of course we all wish it would occur without war. These countries will openly support US action if it comes. Saudi Arabia and Jordon both have economic reasons to want Saddam go. They will covertly support US action (please note: Jordon has agreed to let US aircraft land at Jordainian fields in the event they experience an emergency and Saudi has now given permission to use the command facilities at Prince Sultan airbase for direction of the air war). Syria has no love of Saddam but wishes only for an anti-Israeli ally. Egypt will support a new Iraqi regime with vigor and now give Saddam a cold shoulder. But perhaps you were speaking of Libya and another great world leader: Qaddafi.
                              "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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