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  • #46
    Maybe a little late but I'd nominate Thomas Moore's Utopia for ideas on possible values of a communist society. The discerning reader will also note the flaws in his communal vision.
    I'm consitently stupid- Japher
    I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Azazel
      Mao had very strong totalitarianist leanings.
      Mao was heavily influenced by Stalin in some ways, feeling that only an authoritarian government by the proletariat will work for a communist country.

      Originally posted by Azazel
      Much more so than Stalin, even. Stalin committed the atrocities he did commit because of his Mental sickness.
      There are several theories on this. One holds that dispite his Marxist learnings, Mao was fundamentally a peasant, and his thoughts were largely influenced by this viewpoint. What he did was a lot like what some founding emperors had done. Another one holds that he actually believed in what he preached, that "class enemies" had to be flushed out. It's not a simple issue.
      (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
      (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
      (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Theben
        Maybe a little late but I'd nominate Thomas Moore's Utopia for ideas on possible values of a communist society. The discerning reader will also note the flaws in his communal vision.
        Yo, it's Thothum
        (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
        (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
        (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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        • #49
          Thubbens!
          "Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self." - Dennis Kucinich, candidate for the U. S. presidency
          "That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the world

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          • #50

            There are several theories on this. One holds that dispite his Marxist learnings, Mao was fundamentally a peasant, and his thoughts were largely influenced by this viewpoint. What he did was a lot like what some founding emperors had done. Another one holds that he actually believed in what he preached, that "class enemies" had to be flushed out. It's not a simple issue.
            I've heard that he was inspired by some emperors. and yes, I know it's not a simple issue.
            urgh.NSFW

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            • #51
              Some accused Mao wanted to be an emperor, with absolute powers, at least subconsciously.
              (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
              (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
              (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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              • #52
                Originally posted by lord of the mark
                I myself am intereted in an ideological background for a third way/right social democrat politics. I would therefore be interested in non-Marxist socialists, revisionist Marxist, and left liberals and radicals.
                Just to answer lotm, I don't think there's any objection to reading any of the trends you suggested. I don't think you can really understand what you agree with without understand what you disagree with. I might disagree with Norman Thomas or William Morris, but if I simply ignore them I'm not doing myself any favors.

                In other words, please feel welcome to nominate a book.
                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                • #53
                  Some accused Mao wanted to be an emperor, with absolute powers, at least subconsciously.
                  I have an inclination to agree. But obviously, it's not black/white.
                  urgh.NSFW

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Theben
                    Maybe a little late but I'd nominate Thomas Moore's Utopia for ideas on possible values of a communist society. The discerning reader will also note the flaws in his communal vision.
                    That is a good nomination for April
                    "When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
                    "All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
                    "Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran Siddiqui

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