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  • #46
    Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
    The burden on proof doesn´t lie on the defendant; not in a civilized trial.
    This isn't a trial and the UN did put the burden of proof on Iraq in 1441.
    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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    • #47
      Originally posted by DinoDoc

      This isn't a trial and the UN did put the burden of proof on Iraq in 1441.
      Says you. France interpretes 1441 differently.
      Now, if I ask myself: Who profits from a War against Iraq?, the answer is: Israel. -Prof. Rudolf Burger, Austrian Academy of Arts

      Free Slobo, lock up George, learn from Kim-Jong-Il.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
        That´s what I said; stop lying.
        That exactly what you said. You wanted to know if anyone got airtime that believed that this war was wrong and didn't particularly care about UN approval. I gave you a published example. If you had wanted to add more qualifiers to you initial statement, you should have done so before the fact instead of making an arse of yourself now. You just can't seem to accept being wrong.
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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        • #49
          Originally posted by DinoDoc
          You wanted to know if anyone got airtime that believed that this war was wrong and didn't particularly care about UN approval. I gave you a published example.
          Not just wrong; *in itself* (that is: without qualification) wrong. But never mind: Your article sure didn´t appear in a widely-read paper, right?

          And it´s about a minority of one, right? So my argument there is no balanced debate about either this war or Israel stands.
          Now, if I ask myself: Who profits from a War against Iraq?, the answer is: Israel. -Prof. Rudolf Burger, Austrian Academy of Arts

          Free Slobo, lock up George, learn from Kim-Jong-Il.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
            Your article sure didn´t appear in a widely-read paper, right?
            You didn't ask for that.

            And it´s about a minority of one, right?

            You didn't ask for that either.
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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            • #51
              Originally posted by DinoDoc

              You didn't ask for that.
              I actually said 'on air'.

              But I think you are just trying to create smoke, anyway, and you know it.
              Last edited by Comrade Tribune; February 27, 2003, 23:58.
              Now, if I ask myself: Who profits from a War against Iraq?, the answer is: Israel. -Prof. Rudolf Burger, Austrian Academy of Arts

              Free Slobo, lock up George, learn from Kim-Jong-Il.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
                I actually said 'on air'.
                It was close enough.

                But I think you are just trying to are create smoke,
                I'm just answering you questions as best I can. Be more specific in the future if you didn't like the results.
                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc
                  I'm just answering you questions as best I can.
                  How accomodating of you.

                  But I wonder why no one answered this one: (quote from previous page)

                  Originally posted by rah

                  If 50% of all US coverage was pro NAZI, yes I would expect the % of people that would support would be impacted and it would probably rise from the current 1% (pure guess on current percentage, but I think you'll accept it for the sake of the argument).
                  But as influential as the press may be, I doubt Nazi support would ever rise to 50 %.
                  Your post was thoughtful.

                  Now let´s have a closer look at your example: What if:

                  -Not 50% (of the media) were pro_Nazi, but 70-80.
                  -The *not* pro-Nazi voices were constantly belittled, ridiculed and called "antiaryan" (= super-super-evil).
                  -Furthermore, if you are *very* anti-Nazi, you are in danger of losing your job, plus other unpleasantnesses.
                  -And this has gone on for, say, 30 years.

                  How many would dare being anti-Nazi?
                  Now, if I ask myself: Who profits from a War against Iraq?, the answer is: Israel. -Prof. Rudolf Burger, Austrian Academy of Arts

                  Free Slobo, lock up George, learn from Kim-Jong-Il.

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                  • #54
                    Fiske is a piece of ****. He goes out of his way to attack Jews, to call them names, and then gets mad when people say he's anti-semetic. He can go to hell; and this is a gentile speaking.
                    Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Ming
                      Its OLD NEWS... and not really news, just a rehash of the fact that everybody knows already... that this is one VERY BIASED guy.
                      If what he said is true, that the incidents Fisk listed did happen, even if he is indeed biased doesn't mean his point is invalid.
                      (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                      (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                      (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Felch X
                        Iraq is in the wrong. If you deny that, then you deny resolution 1441, and thus the rule of international law. The only thing to discuss is how to deal with its criminal behavior.
                        Don't we all know by now that the US wants to invade Iraq is not because it violated a Security Council resolution? Shall I mention Israel again?
                        (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                        (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                        (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Urban Ranger


                          Don't we all know by now that the US wants to invade Iraq is not because it violated a Security Council resolution? Shall I mention Israel again?
                          Which resolutions w/ regards to Israel were passed under Chapter 7?
                          "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Edan
                            Which resolutions w/ regards to Israel were passed under Chapter 7?
                            What is so special about #7?

                            Nice list of ignored UN resolutions here:
                            Now, if I ask myself: Who profits from a War against Iraq?, the answer is: Israel. -Prof. Rudolf Burger, Austrian Academy of Arts

                            Free Slobo, lock up George, learn from Kim-Jong-Il.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Edan
                              Which resolutions w/ regards to Israel were passed under Chapter 7?
                              Chapter 7 of what? the UN charter?
                              (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                              (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                              (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Comrade Tribune


                                What is so special about #7?
                                Quite a lot.
                                "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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