Journalist Robert Fisk about criticising Israel

[Arrian]

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by rah
SO the coverage (on the editorial page) is probably 60-65% in favor versus 35-40% against. IMHO this reflects the approx percentage of how people feel in the Chicago area.

So, do I get you right here, you are saying there´s a %correlation between media bias and how people feel in Chicago. There remains the question then: Which of those two is the cause... and which is the effect?

[Ming]

As I said... I don't give any more credibility to his opposite number.

As rah pointed out, you can find both sides being reported fairly in the American press... just as you can find both sides being editorialized.

In general, more amerians support Isreal... so it's no surprise to me that you see more pro isreal support in the american press.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Azazel
Because he's one of us, and we control the Media. duh.

You doubtlessly have a much better answer; I am extremely curious.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Ming
As rah pointed out, you can find both sides being reported fairly in the American press... just as you can find both sides being editorialized.

There could probably be made a case that it is (statistically, nation-wide) not so.

Originally posted by Ming
In general, more amerians support Isreal... so it's no surprise to me that you see more pro isreal support in the american press.

Yes... but see my post directly above yours.

[Az]

Before we plunge into a debate, do you agree with what I've said?

[Ming]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
So, do I get you right here, you are saying there´s a %correlation between media bias and how people feel in Chicago. There remains the question then: Which of those two is the cause... and which is the effect?

Probably 100% of most editorials in the Arab world are anti Isreal... which is the cause, and which is the effect..

[Arrian]

There could probably be made a case that it is (statistically, nation-wide) not so.

How, exactly, do you do a statistical analysis of OPINION? What, specifically, would identify one article as "pro-Israel" and another as "pro-Pal?"



-Arrian

[rah]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
So, do I get you right here, you are saying there´s a %correlation between media bias and how people feel in Chicago. There remains the question then: Which of those two is the cause... and which is the effect?

Kind of. But my point is, if the % is about the same as people actually feel, then I consider the coverage reasonably fair and wouldn't say that the people are BLINDLY supporting the position.
You do raise a good point when you state there may be corralation, but there are limits to that. If 50% of all US coverage was pro NAZI, yes I would expect the % of people that would support would be impacted and it would probably rise from the current 1% (pure guess on current percentage, but I think you'll accept it for the sake of the argument).
But as influential as the press may be, I doubt Nazi support would ever rise to 50 %. Granted this example may be a bit extreme. But most of the NAZI positions would not seem reasonable to a lot of people, so they would be harder to influence. So, if people are being more influenced either way on the Israel question, then the arguements must seem more reasonable.

RAH
I don't think the US press or the population BLINDLY support Isreal. There is a healthly discourse going on despite what you may believe based on the action of a few of our leaders.

[lord of the mark]

If fisk has freedom of speech, why shouldnt other people have freedom of speech to complain about Fisk. Not like the newspapers he writes for have to listen to it or do anything about it. Seems he has a problem with other people's freedom of speech.

And GEpap, you really think are more pro-Israel than the Israeli media - I read ha-aretz regualrly, and while they have some leftist columnists, they are on the whole balanced center left- i would suggest you compare them to the NYT, Christian Science Monitor, or NPR. You seem to think that Foxnews represents the mainstream of american journalism.

And of course for bias that reaches to the vile you have to read the Guardian and the Independent.

[Arrian]

LotM,

I agree w/respect to the Guardian, but I wouldn't go that far w/respect to the Independent. The Independent makes a stab at being balanaced, from what I've read.

-Arrian

[lord of the mark]

Perle is given airtime when they want someone to speak for the admin, but who isnt constrained to sound diplomatic like the folks actually in govt. and hes smart, and contorversial.
Plenty of doves get plenty of air time as well.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Azazel
Before we plunge into a debate, do you agree with what I've said?

No, because it´s a classic strawman.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Ming


Probably 100% of most editorials in the Arab world are anti Isreal... which is the cause, and which is the effect..

Are you trying to distract?

I didn´t state the media in Iraq are balanced. But, are yours?

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Arrian


How, exactly, do you do a statistical analysis of OPINION? What, specifically, would identify one article as "pro-Israel" and another as "pro-Pal?"



-Arrian

How about pro-Israel/anti-Israel/neutral?

Should be easy to judge.

I´d expect: 85% pro-Israel/15% neutral/0% anti-Israel.

Give or take a few.