Children of soldiers being sent to Gulf being hassled by teachers...

[Gatekeeper]

Originally posted by tandeetaylor
... And I know for a fact that, at least in Las Vegas, children are being taught in school that this is a just war. This is the problem that arises from government control of schools. ...

It's not so much the entity that is operating a school so much as it is the people w/i said entity. That's where problems can and do arise. It all comes down to the individual.

That said, I've noticed that FAUX News (Ha! I love that! Who coined it?) tends to get hysterical about things faster than, say, CNN. Bill O'Reilly comes to mind.

Gatekeeper

[Imran Siddiqui]

O'Reilly's job is to get hysterical. That's why he beats CNN and MSNBC.

CNN's Crossfire is an example of a CNN program where the hosts go hysterical at the drop of a hat for ratings.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Zkribbler

That's probably true. It's usually the liberals who are compassionate enough to work for teachers' wages in order to assure children are educated.

Conservatives probably take the position that, if children want a diploma badly enough, they should get a job and earn enough money to buy one.

And I thought that the original story was overblown! Way to punish my moderate impulses, I'll just go back to assuming that liberals run solely on emotion, the truth be damned.

[Dinner]

I would rather see a dead Iraqi; especially since the Iraqi would have died defending one of the most repugnant regimes on earth. Certainly Saddam is as bad as any dictator since Joseph Stalin and so anyone who helps to preserve such evil is not as worthy as someone who would help to bring it down. All people are not of equal worth dispite want socialists would say.

BTW CNN has twice the viewership of FOX news. That is simply the facts. I'd agree that O'Reilly is often more entertaining but he is still the underdog.

[tandeetaylor]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I would rather see a dead Iraqi; especially since the Iraqi would have died defending one of the most repugnant regimes on earth. Certainly Saddam is as bad as any dictator since Joseph Stalin and so anyone who helps to preserve such evil is not as worthy as someone who would help to bring it down. All people are not of equal worth dispite want socialists would say.

That has got to be some of the most ****ed up logic I have ever seen. And shame on you.

[Gatekeeper]

I$f| Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
O'Reilly's job is to get hysterical. That's why he beats CNN and MSNBC.[/quote]

I wish I could get paid a few million bucks a year to get hysterical while on the job. As it is now, they just stare at me or make fun of me (in a good-natured fashion).

CNN's Crossfire is an example of a CNN program where the hosts go hysterical at the drop of a hat for ratings.

Ha, ha, ha. True, very true. That program cracks me up. I love the interaction between the hosts.

Gatekeeper

[Shi Huangdi]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79857,00.html

[Dinner]

Originally posted by tandeetaylor
That has got to be some of the most ****ed up logic I have ever seen. And shame on you.

No it is quite logical. An Iraqi which has used his life to defend a regime of evil is worth no more then your average Nazi. He has/is fighting to repress his own people and to preserve a regime which poison's the nation's minorities with gas. He has inocent blood on his hands so he is a criminal who is less valuable then a justice man who is attempting to end the evil.

Who is the better man; a man who serves evil or an man who strives to defeat evil?

[tandeetaylor]

Originally posted by Oerdin
He has/is fighting to repress his own people and to preserve a regime which poison's the nation's minorities with gas.

But they're his people... So they don't matter....

And you didn't say, I'd rather see a fanatical Iraqi supporter of Saddam dead, or even, an Iraqi soldier, you said, an Iraqi. Which makes what you said very very disgusting.

And since soldiers in oppressed countries rarely have much of a choice about whether or not to fight, and, even if they do, have probably been brainwashed to some degree, I think it's disgusting to say that you'd like to see Iraqi soldiers dead too.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Oerdin
BTW CNN has twice the viewership of FOX news. That is simply the facts. I'd agree that O'Reilly is often more entertaining but he is still the underdog.

In the past, I have shown the numbers that CNN was still ahead of Fox in terms of ratings. However, the final 2002 ratings show that CNN is no longer number one.

A quick story can be found here:

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030103-6246169.htm

(I usually never would post a story from the Times, but it was the first I could find on a free site, and not one that requires a subscription. No matter the source, the numbers they provide are accurate)

As you can see... O'Reilly is no longer the underdog. He's now TOP DOG

[Dinner]

A conscripted soldier has a million ways to resist helping the evil regime; at its most perfect form he can surrender and cease to provide support for Saddam's evil. If he choices to continue helping Saddam's evil then he is no better then a Nazi who added and abetted Hitler in his dreams of evil conquest.

Wither Saddam is one of his people or not does not matter. Saddam deliberately killed Turkmen, Kurds, & Assyrians. Saddam deliberately killed Christians & Shiites. Saddam has deliberately executed or exiled everyone who posses any threat to his totalitarian regime and he has gassed innocent men, women, & children for the sole reason of their ethnic group. He is an evil man and anyone who would serve him has less value then a man who would help to over throw the evil.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Ming


In the past, I have shown the numbers that CNN was still ahead of Fox in terms of ratings. However, the final 2002 ratings show that CNN is no longer number one.

A quick story can be found here:

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030103-6246169.htm

(I usually never would post a story from the Times, but it was the first I could find on a free site, and not one that requires a subscription. No matter the source, the numbers they provide are accurate)

As you can see... O'Reilly is no longer the underdog. He's now TOP DOG

Alright Ming. I guess at the end of 2002 individual Fox show's eecked out ahead of CNN shows. Though
I wonder if this is only in the US and if this is only during th prime time shows. I suspect that CNN is still a more watched news source then FOX.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Alright Ming. I guess at the end of 2002 individual Fox show's eecked out ahead of CNN shows. Though
I wonder if this is only in the US and if this is only during th prime time shows. I suspect that CNN is still a more watched news source then FOX.

First... these are ONLY the US ratings.

Second... "eecked out", hardly. O'Reilly has over 2 million views vs Larry Kings 1.3 million.
On an average evening, Fox is now solidly beating CNN.

Third... This trend started back in Jan of 2002 when Fox beat CNN for the first month ever in Primetime.

Fourth... In the morning, Fox has a 33% viewing edge over CNN

I will see what I can dig up to prove either way which Network is "move viewed overall" (only for the US). The last time I provided the numbers, the answer was CNN.
But since then, their audience has taken a nose dive, and I suspect that it's very close, or that Fox now holds the advantage.

[Ned]

On the original topic, I remain amazed and concerned on how current events and history is taught in school. I have seem some very amazing statements by people here on Apolyton concerning events of the last 40 years of which I am personally aware. The general trend is that the US is wrong, the US is the enemy, the US is responsible for every evil dictator and every torture or murder of a communist everywhere on the planet.

Tell me this is not true.

I first became aware of what was happening when my daughter returned home from school one day and informed me that John Kennedy was the greatest American president and that Nixon was the worst because he got us into the Vietnam war.

What the left is doing to America through its deliberate lies to our children is evil, IMHO. This is the prime reason, more than any other, that I have turned strongly against the public school system in the US.

[TheStinger]

Fox is run by Rupert murdoch one of the most hypocritical men to have walked this planet, I would be very suspicious of its output