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  • Play the World and the Real World...

    I was talking to my good friend the other day about a PtW game we played a few months ago. We both agreed it was truely the greatest civ game either of us had ever played. He then told me of his feelings of it, and it sent chills down my spine, as it frighteningly paralled reality...

    We played on a random map, that was fabulous. It presented interesting strategic designs as well as a good disperssion of resources that encouraged trade. I was the Romans, my friend the Spanish.

    After dozens of hours of game time, and a particularly memorable Epic war against the English, I reigned victorious. My friend had done very well himself, he was the second most powerful nation. However, ther was a very large gap in our power. I completely controled one of the two major supercontinents, and many colonial islands around the world. My sheer economic and industrial output was unmatched, my people were very happy, and the red terretory of the Roman Emipre that blanketed the map was a glorious sight to behold.

    My friend rememberd it well too. When we were talking about the game, and our recent failures to recreate an equally impressive PtW game, he confided in me his feelings that he wouldnt have dared to earlier. He told me how he felt sooo envious of my strength and power while we were playing. He said he didnt like how I was more powerful and larger than him, even tho his own power was impressive. He told me how during many of our diplomatic transactions and coordinated militray actions, he would deliberately foul up or do something underhanded in the attemt to hurt my success, even tho our official diplomatic stance was allied. He asked me to help him build up for a war against germany, when he secretly set all his cities to build the spaceship, adn win the space race. He asked for gold to help him prepare for war, when he was actually using it for his space endeavors. Meanwhile, my war mobilized economy foolishly and naively prepared for the massive war that never came. He did lots of other stuff too, like trying to plant a spy in my capital, which i didnt take too kindly towards...

    He told me he really didnt understand it. He knew we were supposed to be allies and helping each other, but he said he just didnt like how my civ was over all better than his, and he wanted to do everything he could to bring it down as much as he could, with out upsettingme, as he knew that I would crush him if i found out.

    I found this very interesting, as I have believed this to be among the mentalities in Real World politics. It often seems to me that countries often do things with the real purpose of hurting the US, even tho they may be officially allied, all because the US is so successful and they are somewhat envious. Even some of our European allies, who are very successful themselves, seem to do clandestine, insidious things too. It is... disheartening .... PtW, it seems, is an even more accurate simulator than I had ever thought...
    "I bet Ikarus eats his own spunk..."
    - BLACKENED from America's Army: Operations
    Kramerman - Creator and Author of The Epic Tale of Navalon in the Civ III Stories Forum

  • #2
    Re: Play the World and the Real World...

    Yawn. Standrard "they are SO envious!!!" routine to make yourself feel better.....

    Only problem is, its beginning to look like you actually BELIEVE that

    I've already explained why the world hates you....But you refuse to listen to the truth I will not explain again. Instead, I resign to watching your country shoot itself in the foot.
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    • #3
      The world is envious, Tass
      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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      • #4
        I envy the French, actually. Great cheese, Paris is nearby no matter where you are in the country, and you only have to work 3 days a week. Or is it down to 2 now?
        Tutto nel mondo è burla

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        • #5
          Tassadar is French? I didn't know that...

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          • #6
            PtW sucks... Civ 2 :TOT is king of Civ games!
            To us, it is the BEAST.

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            • #7
              2 humans allied against the computer? Of course he tried to backstab you, there's nothing else that interesting to do in such a game.
              Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                The world is envious, Tass
                I'll bite.

                That is part of it. I mean, you can't help but be envious of the american who can go to McDonalds every day and become fat like 63 percent of them have while you sit in a dictatorship the US supported, starving away. That would cause envy.

                But its not all envy. In fact, most of it isnt envy. Though everyone will have different reasons, predominately its ANGER. Anger and envy are NOT the same thing. You can have envy without anger, you can have anger without envy.

                Anger is caused by YOUR ACTIONS. You went around the world supporting dictatorships because the democracies were friendly towards the SU. You went around bombing innocents because you wanted to kill 1 man. Your now defying world opinion and going to go in and kill even more innocents and cause a HUMANITARIAN CRISIS because you refuse to assasinate the man.

                Even now, your friends are beginning to back away from you. Why? Because, your actions are so ignorant and stupid and defying the world that the governments of such countries can't risk being with you (if they are democracies) lest they be un-elected next time elections come around.

                Your arrogence is another part of the ANGER that everyone feels. Yes, people get ANGRY when Americans begin shouting that they are number 1, and get even more angry when suddenly people form militias to hunt down Mexicans escaping their poverty-wridden country to come to America, or those whom begin supporting closing the borders.

                Your ignorance is another part of it. You go around with very little knowledge of the world. Heck, 49 percent of you (in a poll conducted last year) supporting limiting free speech for the war on terror. Almost everyone I've talked to thinks the government could never be corrupted!!! I learned in the Soviet Union to question EVERYTHING the government says because they lied. They lied to EVERYONE.

                Your hypocracy is another part of it. You say your invading Iraq to enforce the UNs will......What about Israel whos violated MORE resolutions than Iraq (nearly double!). What about Pakistan who continues to proliferate nuclear weapons around the world? What about Saudi Arabia whos FUNDING TERRORISTS TRYING TO KILL YOU?!

                People are not simply envious of you. Thats just a cheap cop out and both you and I know it. Its much more deep and much more complex than that. To say otherwise is to close your mind to the facts around you so that you can simply feel better.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JohnT
                  Tassadar is French? I didn't know that...
                  I'm simply protesting childish American angers by selecting it as my flag.
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                  • #10
                    "I'm simply protesting childish American angers by selecting it as my flag."

                    Is that supposed to be intentionally funny?

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                    • #11
                      I would have backstabbed you...
                      To us, it is the BEAST.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JohnT
                        "I'm simply protesting childish American angers by selecting it as my flag."

                        Is that supposed to be intentionally funny?
                        Yeah. Forgot the smiley
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                        • #13
                          I'll bite.


                          MWHAHAHAHA

                          Oh, was I supposed to read the rest of that post?
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                          • #14
                            Remember what he said yesterday, Imran? It's the same thing today, and it will be the same thing for the rest of time.

                            In short, I'm sure you have already read it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JohnT
                              In short, I'm sure you have already read it.
                              Thats true. But I'll keep restating it until he understands
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