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    Let me preface this by saying that I am a Christian, a baptist to be more specific, and my views may surprise some of you.

    Over the last few years, my ideology has changed a great deal. I grew up in a southern baptist church, with southern baptist parents, and i believed what i was told. And then problems arose in me that i had seen so many other times. I came to college and was assualted with things that challenged my world view, and my religion.

    And it made me realize something. Most people lose (or never gain) faith for one of two reasons:
    1) A traumatic experience
    2) Contradictions in the bible, and from the outside world


    Now, the first is common. People lose a loved one, or even see something on TV and think how could this happen if there is a God and he is good?

    This is the easiest and the most straight forward to address. It is simply a problem of scope, or perception. God, by definition, is omnipotent and omniscient. We, on the otherhand, live infinitely short lives by comparison. When we see something tragic, it is only tragic from our point of view, and the view points of those like us. For one to assume that he can decide an event is good or bad over an (near enough) infinite timeline is folly. Only a "God" would have such capabilities. (the following point is not for debate, merely provided as a hypothetical example) The WTC attack was a tragic event, but if that triggered a chain of events that causes us to go to war with iraq, and prevent what could be a catastrophic event, then it was for the good of mankind. When referring to good, i mean it in the utilitarian sense, the most good for the most people. It would be hard to image a "God" that is only good for the few.


    As for the second, we must talk about the bible. Suppose our bible is a book that is a translation of a translation of a translation of a work that was inspired by god and written by man. Language is going to play a major role here. I think it is quite apparent to anyone that translations often cannot carry the original meaning. Sometimes there just aren't words available for a precise conversion. And it is also easy to see that copies produce errors. Thus, one can see why there may be contridictions in the bible, even though it is a work inspired by god. Errors tend to propogate themselves in repeated translating and copying. While this is true for mankind, it is also true for the divine-mortal conversion. I do believe that the bible was an inspired work. I also believe that it is possible that we don't have the entire "bible." As an inspired work, it would have much the same problem as a translation. Words cannot express all the images in our heads, much less those placed there by a "God." One would use the words they have available to describe situations they do not fully understand.


    Now what could that mean? The bible is worthless? christianity is pointless?

    I think the answer to both is NO. I do not believe much of what is in the bible is true. I don't believe in the creation story, i don't believe in all the parables, and i don't believe an "Omnipotent" God can change over the years (as from the old to new testaments). I believe people described their inspirations as best they could with the language they had available. But that doesn't make anything true.

    now the kicker
    You don't have to believe in the bible word for word to be a good christian. You don't have to believe any of it (save that there is a God, and that Christ died for your sins, and was resurrected) is historically accurate.
    I believe the bible is a guidebook. It provides lessons for living a moral life that is pleasing to God. It doesn't have to be true, that isn't it's purpose. That said, contradictions don't matter. Fossils don't matter, evolution doesn't matter, etc. I can believe in all of those things, because they are completely irrelevant to faith.
    "Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)

    "I thought you must be dead ..." he said simply. "So did I for a while," said Ford, "and then I decided I was a lemon for a couple of weeks. A kept myself amused all that time jumping in and out of a gin and tonic."

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    OK here is my view. This is going to get me flamed

    but I do believe Jesus Christ existed. And I do believe symbolically he died for our sins.

    That is all. The rest are just good and not so good stories

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    • #3
      Well then some Christians would come out saying you're very wrong and misguided. Soon thereafter other christians would come out saying that those christians are wrong and that you're views are valid and worth discussion, regardless if they might be right or wrong. And another group of christians would come out saying you all are right in the eyes of the lord. Blessed be, blessed be.

      Be proud to be Human before anything else. Let God sort out the rest of it...
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      • #4
        From a distance
        The world looks blue and green
        And the snow capped mountains white
        From a distance
        The ocean meets the stream
        And the eagle takes to flight

        From a distance
        There is harmony
        And it echoes through the land
        Its the voice of hope
        Its the voice of peace
        Its the voice of every man

        From a distance
        We all have enough
        And no one is in need
        And there are no guns, no bombs and no disease
        No hungry mouths to feed
        From a Distance
        We are instruments
        Marching in a common band
        Playing songs of hope
        Playing songs of peace
        They are the songs of every man

        God is watching us
        God is watching us
        God is watching us
        From a distance

        From a distance
        You look like my friend
        Even though we are at war
        From a distance
        I just cannot comprehend
        What all this fightings for
        From a distance
        There is harmony
        And it echoes through the land
        And its the hope of hopes
        Its the love of loves
        Its the heart of every man

        God is watching us
        God is watching us
        God is watching us
        From a distance

        God is watching us
        God is watching us
        God is watching us
        From a distance
        No offense intended to God, but I don't think he pays much attention to me. Or people in general, for that matter. But I'm ok with that. We should be responsible enough to deal with our problems on our own. We should be responsible enough to deal with our problems on our own.
        "You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran

        Eschewing silly games since December 4, 2005

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        • #5
          again, all that is from a very narrow perspective. We cannot possible hope to know what is for the greater good...And Drose, another great thing about my theory is that it is help with the knowledge that few, including other christians will agree with me...but that's just because people are sheep when they lose faith, i'll still have mine
          "Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)

          "I thought you must be dead ..." he said simply. "So did I for a while," said Ford, "and then I decided I was a lemon for a couple of weeks. A kept myself amused all that time jumping in and out of a gin and tonic."

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          • #6
            Re: my theory on christianity

            Originally posted by Kaak
            [b]And it made me realize something. Most people lose (or never gain) faith for one of two reasons:
            1) A traumatic experience
            My experience is just the opposite. A number of people I know became religious after a traumatic experience, ranging from the loss of a loved one to physical disabilities.
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            • #7
              The way I look at it:

              Assumption 1: There is a singular God. Can take any number of form(s) he/she/it pleases or needs to suit the needs of creation.

              Assumption 2: God set the universe in motion; the Big Bang.

              Assumption 3: God, being omnipotent, can do anything God damn well pleases...but chooses not to actively fukkerup the gears of the universe. A mircle here and there, maybe, but large watches us "from a distance." (<-God how I hate that song...)

              Assumption 4: God, being omnipotent, allowed the evolution of free-willed brains in our skulls.

              Conclusion: If God wanted mindless worshipers, God would make them. God didn't. God granted us the gift of a thinking mind and God probably doesn't want us squandering it. You gotta brain...USE IT!!!

              I have a more fleshed-out spiritual philosophy (seperate from my living philosophy) but I don't care to go into its details here.
              The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

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              • #8
                The bible: Is it a good book?- yes it is. Is it true?- do we care? It is a book that tells us good from bad, a manual for life. Even if it's fiction, it still doesnt mean it gives us the wrong messages.

                Christianity: I dont believe in the institutionalization (spelling?) of religion. It is too often abused to be Gods plan. This is of course my point of view. I try to live by the guidelines set by the bible and dont think of myself a lesser christian than those who attend church.



                my 2 cents (just realized this applies to the EU now too, or should I say 2 eurocents?)

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                • #9
                  Well, I believe there was some historical figure that became the basis for the whole Jesus story, and he was put to death for crimes against the Roman Empire.

                  Beyond that, everything's embellished.
                  "Stuie has the right idea" - Japher
                  "I trust Stuie and all involved." - SlowwHand
                  "Stuie is right...." - Guynemer

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                  • #10
                    Christianity is based on the bible, so if you don't believe the bible, then you aren't really Christian. That's just my two cents.

                    Religion is created by humans. Plain and simple. Whether or not there is a deity out there, I don't know. We should explore our world, our universe, and find out rather than trust the writings of fanatics from two thousand years ago.
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • #11
                      my experience is different too: people are religious because they are spoon fed it their whole lives and by nature, humans hate change.
                      "Speaking on the subject of conformity: This rotting concept of the unfathomable nostril mystifies the fuming crotch of my being!!! Stop with the mooing you damned chihuahua!!! Ganglia!! Rats eat babies!" ~ happy noodle boy

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                      • #12
                        dm,

                        I'm not the most religious person around, or the "best Christian" (whatever that means), but I DO know that there are numerous stories of atheists converting to Christianity, and of people of various other religions converting as well. These people would say they converted because they wanted to know the truth, and God revealed it to them.

                        Now, I can't say God reveals much to me, and I don't know any of these people personally, so take that with a grain of salt - that's just what many people will say.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by devilmunchkin
                          my experience is different too: people are religious because they are spoon fed it their whole lives and by nature, humans hate change.
                          I would agree with this.
                          To us, it is the BEAST.

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                          • #14
                            Even if it's fiction, it still doesnt mean it gives us the wrong messages.
                            Yes, how would I ever know that its a good idea to break the heads of my enemeys' babies against rock if it wasn't for the bible?

                            That was a little low, but it always confuses me why anyone thinks that the Bible gives an especially interesting, insightful or origonal take on moralty, I'd take the chuang-tze over it any day
                            Stop Quoting Ben

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                            • #15
                              I stop believing in God because it is truly stupid to guide your actions by faith-based beliefs.

                              People are weird. People who believe intensely are more likely to make a clean break with their religions instead of going on Christmas and Easter or something and saying, I'm sort of Catholic or whatever.

                              In other news, the Mormons must have spies or something because after not being a member for over two years, at least five address changes including one across a stateline, and a marriage resulting in the changing of my name, the local ward has been sending me letters asking why I'm not at church and someone stops by at least once every two days (I decided to stop opening the door. They're not invited, and I think we made it clear that they're not welcome. I have no obligation to be polite) I should probably go through formal excommunication proceedings, but that would be like legitimizing the whole process. If I say leave me alone, leave me alone.
                              If playground rules don't apply, this is anarchy! -Kelso

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