Enviromentalism thread

[Odin]

Originally posted by MRT144
so youll burn a house, pollute the earth, and put a man out of home to justify enviromental socialism?

this is why enviromentalism is

The pollution is tiny compared to cars and factories.


Why can't you people undersrtand, we are killing species off faster than new ones can evolve, thats a mass extinction. If it wasn;'t for us, the number of species that are created by evolution will be equal to the species going extinct, a dynamic equalibrum of diversity. Also just taking out one species can ruin an entire ecosystem, no matter how small a roll it plays.

[Dauphin]

I think containing the population of humans is a better use of resources than trying to save other species. If the root cause is humans, then the fewer there are the better.

[MRT144]

odin, save the world, kill yourself! you wont be here to **** it up any more anymore, or endure the horrible plague of humans. hell, ill pay for you to kill yourself.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

the worst part about pollution is that it causes markets to fail and thus a free market system will not work anymore.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Big Crunch
I think containing the population of humans is a better use of resources than trying to save other species. If the root cause is humans, then the fewer there are the better.

I was just about to tell those bozos that.

[MRT144]

hence my offer to pay for your suicide

[General Ludd]

I find it odd that the people who do not care about anything other then humans don't mind that there is a mass-extinction happening, that life is going the way of the dinosaurs again. We're certainly not going to be one of the few species that survive. (not that it's guaranteed anything will survive at all) We're far too dependant on other life. We are, societally speaking, incapable of "living in the rough". And we are just far too complex and specialized a life form to survive a mass extinction.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Osweld
I find it odd that the people who do not care about anything other then humans don't mind that there is a mass-extinction happening, that life is going the way of the dinosaurs again. We're certainly not going to be one of the few species that survive. (not that it's guaranteed anything will survive at all) We're far too dependant on other life. We are, societally speaking, incapable of "living in the rough". And we are just far too complex and specialized a life form to survive a mass extinction.

Case Closed, DF is SCREWED.

[MRT144]

might as well live it up while you still got time

[Dauphin]

What is it about an ecosystem that is lost by mass extinction?

What are the things that humans need to survive? - remember that we've domesticated most of our food supply species and their numbers are ever increasing.

Where is the overlap in those answers?

[Sandman]

Species which provide no benefit to humans are irrelevant. Most species that one can name do, however. But if a bird that was probably made up by Victorian explorers is declared 'extinct' who cares?

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Big Crunch
What is it about an ecosystem that is lost by mass extinction?

What are the things that humans need to survive? - remember that we've domesticated most of our food supply species and their numbers are ever increasing.

Where is the overlap in those answers?

The overlap is Diversity.


I'm not sure I understand what you mean by the first question - generally, mass-extinction means that an ecosystem loses pretty much everything in it untill it's either dead, or has adapted and become an essentially different ecosystem.

As for the second Question, we are dependant on a healthy ecosystem to survive. We can not feed our cattle without grains, we can not grow grains without healthy soil, and we can not breathe without trees. That is very simplified, of course - there are countless other ways that we are inter-dependant with the rest of the life on our planet.

[MRT144]

**** it, we should just start killing enviromentalists. less people and no one to complain about the planet going to hell.

[General Ludd]

Go play quake or something, MRT144.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Lot's of species are dying out, in exchange for a higher standard of living for humans? Good trade

Right now, the Calvin and Hobbes strip where a large flying saucer sucking up air is always appropiate. Too bad I haven't been able to find it on the Web.