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**Boris Godunov** · February 23, 2003, 15:25

The actor playing the hologram is named, ironically, Dean Stockwell.

**monolith94** · February 23, 2003, 15:29

I know.

I love the part where he sings that song to Frank Booth though... that was so incredibly moody. "In dreams, I think, of youuuuu..."
You know?

**Zkribbler** · February 23, 2003, 15:39

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Dean is pro-gun, so he won't get the nomination from the Democrats.

I don't think gun legislation is the hot-button topic for liberals as it is for conservatives. Dems won't use this position as a litmus test, but will look at all of Dean's policies. For example, he was the first governor in the U.S. to legalize homosexual unions.

My concern for Dean is that he has yet to develop the political savvy to successfully navigate the shark-filled waters of national politics. If there were justice in politics, the 2000 election would have been McCain

vs. Bradley

who were clearly superior to their parties' mediocre standard bearers.

**Guynemer** · February 23, 2003, 15:44

No chance for Dean to get the nomination. None.

If he starts to become a threat, the establishment candidates will start hammering him on "family values," cashing in on America's not-so-latent homophobia.

Pity. He'd make a great President.

**monolith94** · February 23, 2003, 15:44

"My concern for Dean is that he has yet to develop the political savvy to successfully navigate the shark-filled waters of national politics"
My question to Dean was actually something like this. He said that he didn't feel coming from Vermont would hinder him politically, and also that he was experience to run a really successful campaign.

**Shi Huangdi** · February 23, 2003, 15:54

"don't think gun legislation is the hot-button topic for liberals as it is for conservatives. Dems won't use this position as a litmus test, but will look at all of Dean's policies. For example, he was the first governor in the U.S. to legalize homosexual unions. "

Liberals are not a homogenous group. Ya, probably among young, educated, urban liberals like yourself he will be able to survive a pro-gun stance. Among suburban females, gun-control is a big issue and they may well use gun control as a litmus test. If you recall a few years back they had the "Million Mom March" and had a sizable turnout. There is still a good deal of grass roots support for gun control, and you can bet the anti-gun lobby will bring all it's influence to bear to mobilize their grass roots to prevent what would be a nightmare scenario for them, having two candidates who both support gun rights.

**Imran Siddiqui** · February 23, 2003, 17:12

I agree, Shi. The Dems won't pick a pro-gun guy as their nominee. It'd be like picking a pro-life guy as their nominee! Never happen!

**Odin** · February 23, 2003, 17:24

I am about as liberal as they get, yet I oppose gun contol simply because the people who use guns in crimes will ignore the law anyway.

Especially in high crime areas, guns are needed for self defence. My only gun control things I want is the banning or extreme regulation of gun shows, and make sure no one who has commited a feloney with a gun ever gets a gun again.

**Imran Siddiqui** · February 23, 2003, 17:31

Odin, I'm not saying liberals are all for gun control (Communists are very anti gun control). I'm saying the Dems are for gun control

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**Sava** · February 23, 2003, 17:40

He's not pro-gun in the sense that he's as psychotic as Charleton Heston. He simply doesn't want to ban guns. IIRC he does believe in a gun registration system.

Odin: You can't generalize gun violence. There are many different instances of gun violence. Not all of gun crime is commited by gangsters and "criminals". And that doesn't even begin to take into consideration accidental gun deaths that aren't classified as crime. And many gun-nuts are against the responsible controls and background checks you want.

**monolith94** · February 23, 2003, 17:49

"(Communists are very pro gun control). I'm saying the Dems are for gun control"
What exactly are you implying here?

**Sava** · February 23, 2003, 17:51

Democrats are commies so anyone who suggest gun control is a dirty commie and should be deported.

God Bless John Ashcroft, George Bush, and God Bless America!

**Imran Siddiqui** · February 23, 2003, 17:55

What exactly are you implying here?

It was a typo... Commies are anti-gun control, I mean

**monolith94** · February 23, 2003, 17:56

Ooooooh... ok! It all makes sense now! I guess I'll have to join the green party to avoid being labeled a dirty commie, dirty hippie, whatever...

Interestingly enough, I've never met a bad smelling liberal. Bad smelling conservatives seem to pop up eveywhere, in my experience...

**Imran Siddiqui** · February 23, 2003, 17:57

I've never met a bad smelling liberal.

I see that you've never been to college.

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