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What does that have to do with FARC's classification as a terrorist organizations, Clem?
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I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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DinoDoc,
I think we should be selective about who we classify as terrorists along with Al Qaeda. If you start including all kinds of groups you are going to lose support. After all FARC is not responsible for 9-11. Further more I would argue that we are being the terrorists in this case by supporting their enemies."When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
"Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran SiddiquiComment
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Does that mean that only 9-11 terrorists can be truly considered terrorists? Good one.DULCE BELLUM INEXPERTISComment
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JCG,
Terrorists used to kidnap people to get someone to meet their demands, and do things along those lines. Al Qaeda is a new kind of terrorst organization. They just try to kill for no other objective but to kill. That's why they should be dealt with differently. There is no way we should get more involved in a civil war just because one side uses terror againt the other side. Plus Bush has an obvious bias here which can not be ignored."When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
"Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran SiddiquiComment
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DuncanK,
It's not like all they've done is kidnapping you know.
For example, they killed 3 U.S. civilians under Clinton, admitted it was a "mistake" (yeah sure it was...) and did not turn in any of the killers, but rather made them do community service (!).
I already gave my opinion on U.S. involvement, but that doesn't change the fact they are still terrorists.
And while I don't want to turn this into a ME thread, Al Qaeda isn't just "killing for the sake of killing", they have ludicrous demands and equally ludicrous justifications behind it, even if it's easier to think they have none.
And the FARC also have their so-called "justifications" for their actions obviously.DULCE BELLUM INEXPERTISComment
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Just because (a) they sometimes fight dirty (as do their enemies), (b) you don't like them, and (c) neither does the US government, doesn't make them terrorists.
Compare their record to that of another insurgency, the Nicaraguan contras, then get back to me."When all else fails, a pigheaded refusal to look facts in the face will see us through." -- General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay MelchettComment
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(b) you don't like them, and (c) neither does the US government,
What I like and don't like is irrelevent to the definition of terrorism. I'd happily denounce the AUC as well. However, that set of murderers don't seem to appeal to as many people here.
Look at him, he's worse! How dare you complain about my guy!Compare their record to that of another insurgency, the Nicaraguan contras, then get back to me.
Please tell me that you can do better than that.Last edited by DinoDoc; February 22, 2003, 16:18.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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....Much different situation, but whatever....they are all terrorists in some manner or other, the paramilitaries also being on the list, and rightly so.
What's your point?DULCE BELLUM INEXPERTISComment
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DinoDoc,
You aren't even making any points, except that if you look at things black and white you call these guys terrorists. No one is taking sides against that statement. Instead we are arguing that they should not be considered the otherside in the war on terror."When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
"Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran SiddiquiComment
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FCG,
Do you consider this kidnapping an act of terror if these guys are CIA?"When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
"Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran SiddiquiComment
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If they are CIA, which is likely, it may not be an act of terror but it is an act against the U.S. government.
But executing the other two prisoners (1 Colombian, 1 U.S. citizen) is an act of terror though, or at least a war crime.DULCE BELLUM INEXPERTISComment
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We aren't talking about war crimes. And the US is the aggressor here by supporting their enemies."When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
"Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran SiddiquiComment
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That's one way of looking at it, but the U.S. could also say that threats, aggressions, instability and especially drug trading are enough for them to get involved, I suppose.
I don't really pretend to understand the policy nor the realpolitik of the world's only superpower, and you should know there's nothing that can be done until they change, and changes can only be brought by popular demand or by government initiave. So far I see neither of them in action.DULCE BELLUM INEXPERTISComment
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Actually, the shooting is not necessarily a war crime. The article doesn't say they were executed."When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
"Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran SiddiquiComment
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So firing at unarmed prisoners after a plane goes down is not an execution? One even had a shot in the back of the head (don't know if they mention it in this particular article).DULCE BELLUM INEXPERTISComment
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