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  • Monkspider's history corner: Which country was most responsible for World War I?

    I have been reading a lot of interesting books that suggest Germany was the main instigator of the great war. The reasoning is that members of the German staff such as Von Moltke felt that within a few years Russia will become an overwhelming juggernaut that would overrun the continent so it was better to fight them while they were still able to have a fair chance of success. "Now or Never" as Von Moltke famously put it. So in the July crisis of 1914 Germany largely shaped the diplomatic scene by taking Austria-Hungary on it's leash and in doing so, they created a war that would allow them to realize their aspirations of continental hegemony. They did so by urging Austria to act in a belligerent manner toward Serbia, and to frustrate mediation efforts on the part of France and Britain.
    On the other hand, I have read an interesting theory that the entente powers, notably Britain, wanted to cast aside the weakest link in the European system, the Danubian monarchy, Austria, which led to the European order being destroyed in the process. I have also read some who have argued that Russia's own belief that it had a historic mission to serve as the Aegis of the balkans forced it to take a belligerent position in the July crisis, which led to a general European war.
    Let us not forget the traditional belief that responsibilty lies with the Austrians. They were a decaying empire who felt that they had to assert themselves or risk becoming irrelevent. Therefore, they took the illogical step of risking their very destruction to punish Serbia.
    So what does Apolyton think?
    30
    Germany
    26.67%
    8
    Austria-Hungary
    33.33%
    10
    Serbia
    13.33%
    4
    Great Britain
    3.33%
    1
    France
    6.67%
    2
    Russia
    3.33%
    1
    Belgium
    10.00%
    3
    Ottoman Empire
    3.33%
    1
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  • #2
    Germany... they were also scared of a united Slavic state, BTW
    To us, it is the BEAST.

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    • #3
      I don't think any one nation was any more responsible than the others, although Serbia certainly did what it could to avoid war.
      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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      • #4
        Belgium? Why's Belgium there?
        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
        Stadtluft Macht Frei
        Killing it is the new killing it
        Ultima Ratio Regum

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        • #5
          HEY! Copy cat!

          Tutto nel mondo è burla

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          • #6
            Because Belgium is EVIL, as is supports terrorism with its penal court in Hague and spreads EVIL tennis players all over the world!
            I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

            Asher on molly bloom

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            • #7
              Wow that's remarkable, I never saw that thread in my life. What I find interesting is that we both had cute little themes attached to our posts. Mine is of course MS' history corner, and yours was "historical finger pointing: issue 1". Very interesting, it looks like Austria won last time.
              http://monkspider.blogspot.com/

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              • #8
                As for Belgium, I wanted to give representation to those who believe that Belgium has always had Europe as it's marionettes.
                http://monkspider.blogspot.com/

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                • #9
                  Yeah...but you started yours with instant bias against Germany, whereas mine was balanced...
                  Tutto nel mondo è burla

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Boris Godunov
                    Yeah...but you started yours with instant bias against Germany, whereas mine was balanced...
                    True. And Germany is winning in the polls! That just goes to show you how weak-minded Apolyton is, always believing the first thing they read.
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                    • #11
                      I think the Habsburg empire bears most responsibility for the whole mess: even if you claim the germans gave the Habsburgs a blanck check, it was still up to them to use it. Damn Conrad and the rest of those warmongers!
                      If you don't like reality, change it! me
                      "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                      "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                      "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                      • #12
                        Serbia could have done more. It was antagonizing Austria-Hungary by supporting terrorist activity in its borders, and refused to abide by the ultimatum the Hapburgs gave it. Germany was in a bad position for a war at that point, and probably didn't want it.

                        Remember, these alliances were only temporary things. Germany would have had a better chance if it had waited for another powerful nation to join it against France. Russia could have been a potent ally.
                        John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                        • #13
                          Yeah, because the Hapsburgs were such wonderful, nice people... it's those evil Serbs' fault!
                          To us, it is the BEAST.

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                          • #14
                            Russia and A-H were archrivals. Germany had to chose between the two at the end of the 19th century and it chose Austria.

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                            • #15
                              Remember, these alliances were only temporary things. Germany would have had a better chance if it had waited for another powerful nation to join it against France. Russia could have been a potent ally.


                              Against the French? Russia's army wasn't exactly at the pinnacle of mobility.
                              12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                              Stadtluft Macht Frei
                              Killing it is the new killing it
                              Ultima Ratio Regum

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